Praying to Mary and the Saints

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In my study of scripture my spirit was moved by this verse :

1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

How does that fit with praying to Mary or the saints or do we pray by proxy ie to Mary who tells Jesus who tells the Father ?

Also if only God is omniscient and no one else how then can anyone but God hear everyone’s prayers here on earth ?

Did God make Mary a God ?
 
D-R Bible, Haydock Commentary:

Ver. 5-6. One mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: who gave himself a redemption for all. Take all these words together, and we may easily understand in what sense the apostle calls our Saviour Christ, the one or only mediator; that is, he is the only mediator, who at the same time is our Redeemer; the only mediator who could mediate betwixt God, the person offended by sin, and men the offenders; the only mediator who reconciled God to mankind by his incarnation and death, by the infinite price of his blood, by his own merits, independently of the merits of any other. All Catholics allow that the dignity and office of mediator in this sense belongs only to our Redeemer, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, made man to save us. The sense then of this place is, that as there is but one God, who created all, so there is but one mediator, who redeemed all. But yet the name of mediator is not so appropriated to Christ, but that in an inferior and different sense the Angels and saints in heaven, and even men on earth, who pray to God for the salvation of others, may be called mediators, intercessors, or advocates; and we may apply ourselves to them to pray, intercede, and mediate for us, without any injury to Christ, since we acknowledge that all their intercession and mediation is always grounded on the merits of Christ, our Redeemer. The same word for mediator, in the Greek as well as in the Latin, is given to Moses, God’s servant. (Galatians iii. 19.) See also Deuteronomy v. 5. The words of our Saviour himself, (Matthew xxiii.) taken according to the letter, contain an express prohibition of being called masters, or fathers; and this reason is given, because all men have one Father in heaven, and because Christians have one master, Christ. Yet no one can justly pretend from thence, that in a different sense, a man may not be called father or master, without any injury to God, or to Christ. (Witham) — Christ is the one and only mediator of redemption; who gave himself, as the apostle writes, a redemption for all. He is also the only mediator, who stands in need of no other to recommend his petitions to the Father. But this is not against our seeking the prayers and intercessions, as well of the faithful upon earth, as of the saints and Angels in heaven, for obtaining mercy, grace, and salvation, through Jesus Christ. As St. Paul himself often desired the help of the prayers of the faithful, without any injury to the mediatorship of Jesus Christ. (Challoner) — If there be other mediators among the Angels and saints, they are only so in subordination to the first[Christ], who by themselves have no right to mediation or favours, and who cannot demand them but through the merits of him[Christ] who is our only essential mediator. (Estius, Menochius, &c.) Consult Judges iii. 9; 2 Esdras ix. 17; Acts vii. 35. — A redemption for all. Not only for the predestinated, not only for the just, not only for the faithful, but for all Gentiles and infidels: and therefore he says again, (chap. iv. 10.) that Christ is the Saviour of all men, and especially of the faithful. See St. Augustine[1] and St. Chrysostom.[2] (Witham)
 
In my study of scripture my spirit was moved by this verse :

1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

How does that fit with praying to Mary or the saints or do we pray by proxy ie to Mary who tells Jesus who tells the Father ?
Here it’s simple. the verse right before this one says:

" I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. " 1st Tim 2:1

So we are to pray for each other correct?
If I ask you to pray for me does that violate the one unique mediation of Jesus?
So humans can pray for one another, and ask each other for prayer, correct?
Well last I checked Mary and the saints fall under the category of human so we can ask them to pray for us, Correct?

There is no difference. we ask Mary and the saints to pray for us just as we would ask a friend and yes all prayers go to Jesus then he mediates for us with the Father.
Also if only God is omniscient and no one else how then can anyone but God hear everyone’s prayers here on earth ?

Did God make Mary a God ?
No Mary is not a God.
It is only through the power of God and Christ that she is able to pray for all the petitions that come her way. Also we are limited with our earthly bodies that we can not fathom being able to respond to millions of prayers at once. But mary is not bound to the earthly limits since she is in heaven.

Also lets say every person in the world prayed to Mary all at once that is still a finite amount and does not equal omniscience.
 
Mary and the Saints are still Men (in the general sense, not just male), are they not?

So, their “mediatorship” is no different than if you ask a friend or family member to pray for you.

When we say that we “pray” to the Saints, we aren’t talking about the modern use of the term, but the actual definition of the word which means “to petition; to ask”. When we “pray” to the Saints in heaven (or the saints on earth) we are asking them to pray for us. Sometimes prayers can use flowery or exaggerated poetic language, but we are not equating them with God. There is only one God, and only one mediator between God and Man, Jesus Christ.
 
So, their “mediatorship” is no different than if you ask a friend or family member to pray for you.
In my humble opinion, this is the key. If the OP is taken too literally, we should not ask for prayers from anyone.
 
St. Thomas Aquinas teaches that while we have Christ as our Mediator par excellence as He reconciled us to God through His redemptive death, others too can be called mediators in the secondary sense that they help bring people to God.

The Blessed Virgin especially is considered our Mediatrix as She is the greatest of all Saints, through Her the Divine Saviour came to the world, and there is a pious belief that since the Assumption all graces are granted to men through Her. Popes Pius IX, Leo XIII and St. Pius X have called her Mediatrix in official Church documents. The Feast of Mary Mediatrix of All Graces was established by Pope Benedict XV in 1921.

Summa Theologica III:26:1:
I answer that, Properly speaking, the office of a mediator is to join together and unite those between whom he mediates: for extremes are united in the mean [medio]. Now to unite men to God perfectively belongs to Christ, through Whom men are reconciled to God, according to 2 Corinthians 5:19: “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.” And, consequently, Christ alone is the perfect Mediator of God and men, inasmuch as, by His death, He reconciled the human race to God. Hence the Apostle, after saying, “Mediator of God and man, the man Christ Jesus,” added: “Who gave Himself a redemption for all.”
However, nothing hinders certain others from being called mediators, in some respect, between God and man, forasmuch as they cooperate in uniting men to God, dispositively or ministerially.
 
In my study of scripture my spirit was moved by this verse :

1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

How does that fit with praying to Mary or the saints or do we pray by proxy ie to Mary who tells Jesus who tells the Father ?

Also if only God is omniscient and no one else how then can anyone but God hear everyone’s prayers here on earth ?

Did God make Mary a God ?
Moses was also a mediator. Moses mediated between God and man, going up and down the mountain at least five times, brining God’s message to the people and the people’s response to God.

Jesus however, is the one perfect mediator between God and man, because he is both God and man.

Paul is bringing out the perfection of Christ’s mediation between God and man because he is both God and man, in contrast to the mediation of the old covenant by Moses who was not God but only a man.

-Tim-
 
God is omniscient. He knows without our praying.

We have to pray to those who are not omniscient, like Mary and the saints.

-Tim-
 
The Bible suggests that angels serve as messengers who convey our prayers to heaven. (Tobit 12:12; Revelation 8:3-5)
 
In my study of scripture my spirit was moved by this verse :

1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

How does that fit with praying to Mary or the saints or do we pray by proxy ie to Mary who tells Jesus who tells the Father ?
Mary as Mediatrix Proved From Scripture

The Catholic Church recognizes Mary’s role in salvation history and invokes her under the title of Mediatrix. However, many people struggle to understand how Mary can have this role which they reserve for Christ alone, and they cite the following verse in support of their position:

1 Timothy 2:5-6
5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.

Let’s look at additional verses to gain a fuller understanding of the role of Jesus as mediator.

Hebrews 7:24-25
because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

Here we see that Jesus “always lives to intercede” for “those who come to God through him.” The role of the mediator and the intercessor are synonymous; a mediator lives to intercede for others.

All Christians are called to be mediators or intercessors for one another because we are all members of Christ’s body as we see from Paul’s letter to the Ephesians:

Ephesians 1:22-23
“And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

Paul referred to himself as a co-laborer with Christ when he wrote:

1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are God’s fellow workers.

Paul went further in his understanding of our responsibility as co-laborers with Christ when when he wrote:

Colossians 1:24
Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

Is anything lacking from the perfect sacrifice that Christ offered upon the Cross? Paul clearly indicates that more is to be done and that he makes up what is “still lacking” in his own flesh.

2 Corinthians 1:6
If we are afflicted, it is for your comfort and salvation

Additionally, we know that we are called to share in the priesthood of all believers (cf. 1 Peter 2:5-9), and a priest, by definition, is called to be a mediator between God and men. Each of us is called to this role and to be a mediator or mediatrix for others before God.

Therefore, if we are all called to this role of mediator and intercessor for one another, how much more can this be said of Mary who said, “Yes” to God and brought Christ into the world?

Speaking of this, the Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

967 By her complete adherence to the Father’s will, to his Son’s redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church’s model of faith and charity. Thus she is a “preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church”; indeed, she is the “exemplary realization” (typus) of the Church.

968 Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. “In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior’s work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace.”

969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”

970 “Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.” “No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.”
 
In my study of scripture my spirit was moved by this verse :
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Interesting, let’s see where you’re going with this.
How does that fit with praying to Mary or the saints or do we pray by proxy ie to Mary who tells Jesus who tells the Father ?
First off, Mary and the saints are not ‘proxy’ they aren’t dead. They are alive with Christ in heaven, in fact they are more alive than we are since they have been completely purified and united with God, whilst we are still only imperfectly united with him. All who are in Christ, never die, they have eternal life. Why? Because Jesus conquered death at His resurrection. The saints in heaven are in Christ, therefore they will never die. And this passage isn’t talking about intercessory prayers. It just says Jesus is the one mediator of salvation. Since we are of his body we can participate in his heavenly role as intercessor. In fact, just a few verses before this Paul tells the Christians to pray and intercede for each other. Does that mean he contradicted himself? No, we Christians are a community, God expects us to pray for each other, and help each other along. This goes for all Christians, not just the ones still here on earth. That’s why we have a communion of saints because we are all saints and we are all in communion with each other.
Also if only God is omniscient and no one else how then can anyone but God hear everyone’s prayers here on earth ?
Your question is worded a little strangely I’m having trouble seeing what you are getting at. But I am assuming you’re asking how the saints can hear all the prayer they are given if they aren’t omniscient correct? In short they can because God allows them to, he gives them the power and ability to be able to do so. Remember Mary and Joseph and Peter and all the other saints in heaven can’t hear the prayers on their own, it is through God that they are able. Lastly we don’t know what heaven is like, so we can’t just apply certain things from earth and expect them to work the same way in heaven.
Did God make Mary a God ?
Nope, there is only One Eternal God. It is impossible for there to be more than one. God can’t do something that goes against His nature, and creating another God is one of those things.

And she’d be a Goddess not a God, just sayin’. 😛
 
In my study of scripture my spirit was moved by this verse :
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
How does that fit with praying to Mary or the saints or do we pray by proxy ie to Mary who tells Jesus who tells the Father ?
Also if only God is omniscient and no one else how then can anyone but God hear everyone’s prayers here on earth ?
Did God make Mary a God ?
A little bit of misunderstanding goes a LONG ways.

While it is proper to claim that we Catholics “pray “TO” Mary and the Saints [Capitol “S”], a FAR better understanding is gained by changing the word “TO” to “THROUGH”😃

As you seem to indicate; God IS ALWAYS the end of ALL Catholic prayers.

SO WHY NOT JUST GO DIRECTLY TO GOD? remains a valid option.🙂
  1. Praying Through Mary or the Saints is NOT MANDATORY; not a requirement; but a personal piety choice.
  2. There is but One God: Father, Son [Jesus] and Holy Spirit so a prayer to one is a prayer to EACH OF THEM.
  3. **WHY DO IT? **
    Because Mary & the Saints are In the actual presence of God [Beatific Vision]
They can and DO Intercede on our behalf as fellow members of the “communion of ALL saints” [In heaven, the church on earth and the souls in purgatory]

They ADD their own prayers on-top of ours thus increasing their merit

They then present them personally on our behalf to “God”

This then is a GREAT way; but certainly not the only manner to pray to God
AMEN 👍
 
A little bit of misunderstanding goes a LONG ways.

While it is proper to claim that we Catholics “pray “TO” Mary and the Saints [Capitol “S”], a FAR better understanding is gained by changing the word “TO” to “THROUGH”😃
Actually I think it’s better said as “WITH”
SO WHY NOT JUST GO DIRECTLY TO GOD? remains a valid option.🙂

I would say why do you ask people to pray for you? Why don’t you go straight to God? Every Christians asks other member of the church to pray for them.
 
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