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We know that the holy trinity consists of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. What my question is is when Jesus went to pray to the father,and the father is in him along with the Holy Spirit, does this mean in a way that he was praying to himself?
 
We know that the holy trinity consists of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. What my question is is when Jesus went to pray to the father,and the father is in him along with the Holy Spirit, does this mean in a way that he was praying to himself?
What is prayer? Prayer is keeping your mind and heart in conversation with God. It is being aware of God’s Presence. I would not say that when Jesus prayed that he was praying to Himself, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. When Jesus prayed, he was in conversation with the Father, the First Person of the Blessed Trinity and the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity, Who are with Him always. And when we pray and are in conversation with God, keeping in mind His presence within us, we are not praying to ourselves.
 
I always find it facinating that scripture defines God as ineffable, having different “ways”, “thoughts” and being wholly other than man and yet men continually try to put “him” into some understandable perspective. “God is not a person.He is a relationship.” is meaningless unless we frame what exactly is relating to what. A relationship is a quality between things. It itself is not one of the things of which it is the qualifying factor. No, God is not a person you say. Nope, because we have to add two more “persons” into the Godhead which only thrice removes the question to how do we define personhood within the Godhead since there are three of them and each being equal to the other brings us right back to God being a person -individually within the Godhead of course.
We cannot of course compare even remotely through metaphor, allegory, or simile, God to a human families perfect relationship since each members interaction with, expression of love to one another, and expectations from the other is intimately dependent on each members positions, unequal abilities, and expectations from the others in the entitiy. It is dependant not on a perfect union of equal wills, but on a perfect acceptance of separate wills. A families love is totally dependent on the members being unequal and individually unique. Things we cannot claim of God. Then we must ask ouselves, what is a person? What is it to have personhood? By its own definition a person must be individually unique. There is no equality to personhood. A person can only be relatable one to the other through uniqueness. Uniqueness expresses necessarily unequivalence. Something again we cannot apply to God. To simply say the trinity is a perfect union denies us the understanding of what said union would even be like. If we say for instance that a perfect union between a wife and husband would be the total fidelity and perfection of love of each in relation to the other we must still acknowledge the unique and unequal positions each holds to which the other might express his love upon. If I say I am equal in ability, quality, and substance of another of which I have perfect love this presupposes my loving perfectly myself irrespective of anothers love for me, the possibility of which I may do without projecting my love upon another. In other words it wouldn’t matter if one had one person or an infinite number of persons in the Godhead in such a conception. To determine the necessity of any substantive equality with another within the Godhead in an attempt to define a perfect and necessary union between them would be at best arbitrary and at worst completely meaningless.
Blessings to you through Gods love
 
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