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Presbyterian Church (USA) Holds First Gay Wedding at National Office
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ComplineSanFran
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The Presbyterians I know are very proud to have this event take place.
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adamhovey1988
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Presbyterians are not uncommon here in Dixie. And as many of you know we southerners don’t exactly support this type of behaviour. I’m wondering where this is going to go
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ltwin
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A lot of the more traditional Presbyterian congregations have already left for smaller Presbyterian denominations, like the Evangelical Presbyterian Church and the ECO Presbyterians. I guess that many others who’ve been sitting on the fence will begin the process of separating from PC(USA). Churches have to go through denominational processes before they can join another Presbyterian denomination, so it takes a while.Presbyterians are not uncommon here in Dixie. And as many of you know we southerners don’t exactly support this type of behaviour. I’m wondering where this is going to go
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adamhovey1988
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I have a friend that belongs to the Anglican Church in North America and a similar thing happened with them and the Episcopal churchA lot of the more traditional Presbyterian congregations have already left for smaller Presbyterian denominations, like the Evangelical Presbyterian Church and the ECO Presbyterians. I guess that many others who’ve been sitting on the fence will begin the process of separating from PC(USA). Churches have to go through denominational processes before they can join another Presbyterian denomination, so it takes a while.
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ltwin
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Yeah, except the Episcopal Church claims all local church property for the national organization, so if a parish voted to leave then it could be sued for ownership of assets. As I understand it, the Presbyterian Church encourages its regional governing bodies to practice what is called “gracious dismissal” of churches that want to leave and join alternative Presbyterian denominations. So, I’d expect more Presbyterian churches to leave since its a lot less riskier for them than their Episcopal counterparts.I have a friend that belongs to the Anglican Church in North America and a similar thing happened with them and the Episcopal church
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adamhovey1988
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I did not know that thank you for this information you are are a wealth of it with regards to thisYeah, except the Episcopal Church claims all local church property for the national organization, so if a parish voted to leave then it could be sued for ownership of assets. As I understand it, the Presbyterian Church encourages its regional governing bodies to practice what is called “gracious dismissal” of churches that want to leave and join alternative Presbyterian denominations.
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ComplineSanFran
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Itwin, I think this is not always the case. Who owns the buildings/assets is still being debated and contested within the Presbyterian church. Although, you are correct in that the local Presbyteries are the ones who are demanding ownership of assets, and not the National Church, which is where The Episcopal Church is doing the legal contests.Yeah, except the Episcopal Church claims all local church property for the national organization, so if a parish voted to leave then it could be sued for ownership of assets. As I understand it, the Presbyterian Church encourages its regional governing bodies to practice what is called “gracious dismissal” of churches that want to leave and join alternative Presbyterian denominations. So, I’d expect more Presbyterian churches to leave since its a lot less riskier for them than their Episcopal counterparts.
Here is a link to what is going on in the Dallas area.
lifesitenews.com/news/presbyterian-church-to-pay-7.8m-to-leave-liberal-denomination-that-supports
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ltwin
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Yeah, local presbyteries are not always willing to allow congregations to depart, but there are presbyteries which will avoid legal fights over the property. A lot of times, the departing congregation will give a financial gift to the presbytery to go towards mission/church planting as a way to compensate the denomination for the loss of the congregation.Itwin, I think this is not always the case. Who owns the buildings/assets is still being debated and contested within the Presbyterian church. Although, you are correct in that the local Presbyteries are the ones who are demanding ownership of assets, and not the National Church, which is where The Episcopal Church is doing the legal contests.
Here is a link to what is going on in the Dallas area.
lifesitenews.com/news/presbyterian-church-to-pay-7.8m-to-leave-liberal-denomination-that-supports
In the Episcopal Church, diocesan bishops who have tried to work out similar arrangements with disgruntled congregations have often been rebuked by the national church.
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