I never advocated not paying attention to the rubrics or having a free for all Mass.Yes, Traditional Catholics accept the Magesterium. However, you and TMC maintain that the Mass is not a liturgy and that it should be a free for all with little attention paid to rubrics.
No, I did not. Go back and re-read your posts. Furthermore, the tone of your posts seems to indicate either a lack of understanding of the Mass or a rebellious spirit that perhaps advocates that we should do our own thing. I did not understand the point of your tale of two priests. There was perhaps an underlying reason as to why the second priest left the priesthood.benedictgal
I never advocated not paying attention to the rubrics or having a free for all Mass.
You made this part up.
Jim
You go back and find a post where I stated a that its not necessary to pay attention to the Rubrics and to have a free for all Mass.No, I did not. Go back and re-read your posts. Furthermore, the tone of your posts seems to indicate either a lack of understanding of the Mass or a rebellious spirit that perhaps advocates that we should do our own thing. I did not understand the point of your tale of two priests. There was perhaps an underlying reason as to why the second priest left the priesthood.
I certainly didn’t see that rebellious spirit in his posts. In fact, his posts were all about respecting the role and authority of the priest.No, I did not. Go back and re-read your posts. Furthermore, the tone of your posts seems to indicate either a lack of understanding of the Mass or a rebellious spirit that perhaps advocates that we should do our own thing. I did not understand the point of your tale of two priests. There was perhaps an underlying reason as to why the second priest left the priesthood.
It’s not about the role and authority of the priest that I am contending. He has been for that. He just doesn’t seem to think that as laity, we should point out things that are wrong during the Mass. JIm and I have had major disagreements in various threads and there are things he had said in other threads that clearly run contrary to church teaching. Because we’ve both been battling out in several threads, I had accused him of doing so in this thread. That being said, he was actually mildly somewhat orthodox here, but not in the others.I certainly didn’t see that rebellious spirit in his posts. In fact, his posts were all about respecting the role and authority of the priest.
Yes, Traditional Catholics accept the Magesterium. However, you and TMC maintain that the Mass is not a liturgy and that it should be a free for all with little attention paid to rubrics. That has never been the teaching of the Church. We are bound by the 10 commandments and Church precepts to go to Mass on Sundays and all Holy Days of Obligation.
To be fair to Jim, who I don’t know but seems like a fine gentlemen, I wouldn’t toss he and I in the same boat.I never advocated not paying attention to the rubrics or having a free for all Mass.
Our disagreements have to do with interpretation of Church teaching, and the authority of the Bishop.It’s not about the role and authority of the priest that I am contending. He has been for that. He just doesn’t seem to think that as laity, we should point out things that are wrong during the Mass. JIm and I have had major disagreements in various threads and there are things he had said in other threads that clearly run contrary to church teaching. Because we’ve both been battling out in several threads, I had accused him of doing so in this thread. That being said, he was actually mildly somewhat orthodox here, but not in the others.
The third commandment binds us to go to Mass, not to mention the precepts of the Church which also bind us, under pain of mortal sin, to go to Mass on Sundays and all Holy Days of Obligation. Frankly, it never seemed to be a problem to keep these days Holy prior to the late 1960s. I am not saying that it is the fault of the Second Vatican Council. After all Cardinal Arinze said that he’s tired of VII getting the blame for everything, from rainfall on a wedding day to the lack of rainfall during a draught.To be fair to Jim, who I don’t know but seems like a fine gentlemen, I wouldn’t toss he and I in the same boat.
I admit to having a bit of a “rebellious spirit.” But I do not advocate the **priest **paying little attention to the rubrics. Myself, I pay little attention to the rubrics. Hasn’t resulted in any free-for-all Masses yet. Its not that I am adverse to addressing issues to the clergy. I have had a word or three with priests about something they or others did over the years. I have never seen a “rubric problem” that came close to requiring such a chat, and doubt I ever will. Its not that I don’t love the Mass or take my faith seriously, I do. Just not fascinated by the minutiae of the rubrics.
And what does that have to do with the 10 Commandments? Must I be a minutiae hawk to obey number 3, or is it another one?
Also, I don’t remember anyone advocating skipping Mass. Usually the stuff I say is controversial enough without folks adding on stuff I didn’t say.