Pro-abortion Speaker Pelosi gives more public scandal

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By Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
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A reader alerted me to an interview in the execrable Newsweek with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), pro-abortion but self-named “Catholic”. You might remember some of her scintillating theological explanations about how she justified promoting abortion.

Here is a bit from the interview with my emphases and comments.

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Nancy Pelosi doesn’t care if you like her. All that matters is getting the job done.
By Eleanor Clift | NEWSWEEK

Published Dec 21, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Jan 4, 2010
** Q It was reported that you were negotiating with the conference of bishops.
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I talked to one of the cardinals. I said to him that I believe that what we are doing honors the principles we talked about: we want to pass a health-care bill, we want it to be abortion neutral, and we want it to [have] no federal funding [for abortion], which is the law. And we believe that our language does that. They said, “We believe that it does not.” I said, let’s sit down at the table and our lawyers can compare language. That’s what the meeting was about—to make our case. Clearly, the people at that table were not willing to accept what we know to be a fact. [Someone isn’t telling the truth.]
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Q I think you have had some brushes with [church] hierarchy.**

[Remember… this person calls herself "Catholic"...] I have some concerns about the church’s position respecting a woman’s right to choose. [What sort of addled comment is that?  Note the language she uses.  She lives entirely within her liberal political view and even imposes its language on the teaching of the Church.] I have some concerns about the church’s position on gay rights. I am a practicing Catholic, although they’re probably not too happy about that. But it is my faith. I practically mourn this difference of opinion [Is that what it is?  A difference of opinion?  As if her opinion could possible have some sort of equivalence with the teaching of the Church… which is just the Church’s "opinion"?] because I feel what I was raised to believe is consistent with what I profess, and that is that we are all endowed with a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions. And that women should have that opportunity to exercise their free will. [But apparently she wasn’t raised to believe that people have a right to be born.]
** Q Is it difficult for you to reconcile your faith with the role you have in public life?**
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You know, I had five children in six years. The day I brought my fifth baby home, that week my daughter turned 6. So I appreciate and value all that they want to talk about in terms of family and the rest. When I speak to my archbishop in San Francisco and his role is to try to change my mind on the subject, well then he is exercising his pastoral duty to me as one of his flock. When they call me on the phone here to talk about, or come to see me about an issue, that’s a different story. Then they are advocates, and I am a public official, and I have a different responsibility.  [So, she has adopted the Kennedy Dichotomy.]
I cannot fathom why she hasn’t been told she must not receive Holy Communion.

How much more public scandal does she have to give before the bishops of the places where she resides take concrete action?

 
Nancy Pelosi is a demonic, murdering feminist, and if I were in a position in the Church hierarchy she’d have been excommunicated years ago and given a heavier penance than the worst of the early Christians had to endure.
 
Iluvburpees, It baffles me when people lambaste such dissenters as Pelosi, all while worshipping an even worse dissenter, Lefebvre. It really makes it impossible to take them serious on such discussions.
 
Iluvburpees, It baffles me when people lambaste such dissenters as Pelosi, all while worshipping an even worse dissenter, Lefebvre. It really makes it impossible to take them serious on such discussions.
This sort of ignorance and calumny is why the Novus Ordo is so frustrating for (Traditional) Catholics.
 
Nancy Pelosi is a demonic, murdering feminist, and if I were in a position in the Church hierarchy she’d have been excommunicated years ago and given a heavier penance than the worst of the early Christians had to endure.
How do you know she hasn’t been told by her bishop not to receive Communion? They don’t always make it public. Nobody knew Bp Tobin told that Kennedy fellow he shouldn’t be receiving Communion until Kennedy made it public himself.
 
How do you know she hasn’t been told by her bishop not to receive Communion? They don’t always make it public. Nobody knew Bp Tobin told that Kennedy fellow he shouldn’t be receiving Communion until Kennedy made it public himself.
In order to prevent public scandal, public sinners such as Pelosi, Kennedy, Biden and others of their ilk, must make public penance. This is in the Catechism. (#?)
 
How do you know she hasn’t been told by her bishop not to receive Communion? They don’t always make it public. Nobody knew Bp Tobin told that Kennedy fellow he shouldn’t be receiving Communion until Kennedy made it public himself.
Nancy Pelosi is a demonic, murdering feminist, and if I were in a position in the Church hierarchy she’d have been excommunicated years ago and given a heavier penance than the worst of the early Christians had to endure.
Unfortunately, she couldn’t be physically forced to do a penance and a person with her mentality would just continue on blissfully unaware of what an idiot she is. Anyone with her “stature” and level of narcissism can do anything they want, you know. :rolleyes:
 
If her practice is consistent with her upbringing, she was brought up in a non-existent faith
 
Pelosi is the epitome of the by-product of water-downed Catechesis, in which obedience to the Church was taught to be outdated. She states she is a practicing Catholic, but the practicing Catholic is obedient to the Church and ALL its teachings/doctrine.
 
Pelosi is the epitome of the by-product of water-downed Catechesis, in which obedience to the Church was taught to be outdated. She states she is a practicing Catholic, but the practicing Catholic is obedient to the Church and ALL its teachings/doctrine.
With all due respect, we don’t know what her early influences were. Sometimes people are simply wilful and there isn’t much point in analyzing it further.
 
It really concerns me that the hierarchy of the church is so silent about these politicians who flaunt church teaching in this way. It certainly makes it confusing for those who show an interest in finding out more about the Catholic Church when this kind of behavior goes uncommented on by bishops, etc. I see this confusion in my role as a sponsor in our RCIA program. And I see supposedly good Catholics able to justify such things as artificial insemination in order to have a family. It is disturbing.
 
I notice that Pelosi makes a point of emphasizing that she had 5 children in 6 years. This could be interpreted two ways:
  1. She is trying to prove that she really doesn’t hate babies, or that she really is “pro-life” in practice, in order to gain sympathy from those of more conservative bent.
  2. She is making a subtle (or not so subtle) dig at the Church for its teaching against contraception… as if to say “I tried to be a good Catholic, I stayed barefoot and pregnant all those years, and this is the thanks I get.”
I agree that her actions of late have caused extreme scandal and that she ought not to be receiving Communion anywhere. If I could vote her out of office and keep her from ever being elected dogcatcher again I would do so in a heartbeat.

However, even faithful pro-life Catholic women with big families have to admit that having 5 kids in 6 years isn’t exactly a walk in the park. Is she indicating that this is what pushed her, or started her, over the edge into becoming a staunch feminist and defender of abortion? Not that this justifies her actions in any way, but it might explain them.

Whatever the cause, it’s evident that Pelosi was not always a “demonic murdering feminist.” Imagine what a great pro-LIFE figure she could have been, had she (and her husband – she didn’t have those kids all by herself, you know) stayed on the right path. That is why we must always pray for the grace of perseverance – even people who have great faith and solid upbringing can always throw it away and fall into sin.
 
“Power often corrupts, and often absolute power corrupts, absolutely”

Sometimes when we start thinking too much of our own prominence in the community we get sick with narcissism, especially if we have become wealthy with not millions, but with hundreds of millions of dollars, and have amassed tens of millions more in land holdings etc.

“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” (Matthew 19:24).

Then again… Maybe not.
 
Also, it is precisely those who have the MOST potential to do good, who do the most harm when they turn to evil or let pride or ambition get the better of them. Satan himself was once among the greatest of the angels. C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape states that “the great sinners are made out of the same material as those horrible (from a demonic point of view) phenomena the great saints.”

I wouldn’t assume, therefore, that Nancy Pelosi’s Catholic upbringing, education, or initial practice were necessarily deficient. With her background, education, and politicial skills she COULD have become a strong and eloquent and effective spokesperson for pro-life, just like, say, Henry Hyde or Bob Casey Sr. But something went wrong along the way and now she uses those skills in the service of evil. That is what is really sad.
 
Ridgerunner,

I did not state that Pelosi was a victim of watered-down Catechesis. I merely stated(maybe not as clear as I thought) she epitomizes those victims’ thinking. She may very well have been catechized properly. But if so, she is in deeper trouble. I cannot dismiss my personal experiences with victims of watered-down Catechesis. I am one, although I never was as far from the Church’s teachings as Pelosi. I was fortunate enough to have people come into my life that gave me a taste of what the Church really teaches(which the bishops hopefully do). All it took was some humility to submit to obedience.

To get to Pelosi’s level, it takes more than just not knowing or denying the faith. Lust for political power/prestige and being an arrogant narcissist helps. It is astounding that she quotes St. Augustine to validate her dissent from Catholic teachings.
 
Ridgerunner,

I did not state that Pelosi was a victim of watered-down Catechesis. I merely stated(maybe not as clear as I thought) she epitomizes those victims’ thinking. She may very well have been catechized properly. But if so, she is in deeper trouble. I cannot dismiss my personal experiences with victims of watered-down Catechesis. I am one, although I never was as far from the Church’s teachings as Pelosi. I was fortunate enough to have people come into my life that gave me a taste of what the Church really teaches(which the bishops hopefully do). All it took was some humility to submit to obedience.

To get to Pelosi’s level, it takes more than just not knowing or denying the faith. Lust for political power/prestige and being an arrogant narcissist helps. It is astounding that she quotes St. Augustine to validate her dissent from Catholic teachings.
It’s possible, of course, that she is willfully participating in what she knows is evil, and is knowingly doing it for her own aggrandizement in terms of money, prestige and power, with no mitigation whatever. Unless mortal sin has somehow been abolished, she, like all humans, is entirely capable of it.
 
Although we all are sinners & none of us practices our Catholic Faith perfectly, there is a huge difference when a public figure like Pelosi uses her position & power to directly confront & deny the Truth of the Catholic Church’s Church teachings on Faith & Morals.

**Pelosi’s public defiance of key Church teachings like the grave evil of all abortions & the primacy of the right to life for all, gives ammunition to other weak minded & ignorant Catholics as well as all of the other critics of the Catholic Faith out there.
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There is nothing wrong with someone disagreeing with a Bishop on a judgment call, say withholding the Communion Cup due to H1N1, or even criticizing the failures of Church leaders to deal with scandalous actions.

When a public figure like Pelosi calls herself a “practicing Catholic” & goes on to publicly deny the Truth of Jesus Christ as taught by His Catholic Church on a primary non negotiable issue like abortion, she has caused a public heresy & must be denounced clearly & unequivocally!!!

God Bless courageous leaders like Bishop Tobin, who tried to counsel wayward Catholic, Rep. Kennedy in private. Once Kennedy criticized the Church in public, Bishop Tobin spoke out, spotlighting the hypocrisy of Kennedy & Pelosi & other ‘cafeteria catholics’ who pick & choose only the easy teachings to follow.


Who made Pelosi & Kennedy their own personal popes???

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

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