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tobinatorstark
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still the woman doesn’t have the right to choose an abortion. It is ignoring the privelege of free will
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st_lucy
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What makes that person feel that the child is any less then a child if it is “early” in the pregnancy? As someone who was conceived because of a rape, I know I am glad my mom didn’t choose to have me murdered.Also, someone asked whhen choosing an abortion would be the right call. Most of the Catholics** I know and am refering to are talking about early in the pregnancy after a rape** and also if the mother’s life is in jeopardy. It’s very easy for someone to say “well that person should always choose the life of the child over their own” - until you have been in that very situation, I don’t think you have any right to say that. I have been in that situation and I’m glad I’m still here. And yes I’m still Catholic. And I’ll answer this before it gets asked -it was a choice where there was very little chance of either of us making it and I waited as long as I could. I also don’t know of a Catholic husband (personally) who would choose to rather see his wife perish than loose a child.
Any one that “thinks” abortion is ever okay cannot call them selves a Christian but more especially a Catholic. Period.
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ryecroft
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It was said that for the 2000 yeart plus of the Catholic Church, Abortion has been condemned - that isn’t quite true. All you have to do is read some of St. Thomas Aquinas and some of St. Augustine to know that they didn’t consider ending a pregnancy wrong unless the time of “quickening” when the foetus could be felt to move. So it is NOT correct to say that the Church has always said that abortion is wrong - this is something that has been debated since about the 1st Century Church.
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tobinatorstark
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Why are you looking for way to contradict your own church? Why can’t you accept the Church’s teachings. They won’t change. Violating them intentionally is grave sinIt was said that for the 2000 yeart plus of the Catholic Church, Abortion has been condemned - that isn’t quite true. All you have to do is read some of St. Thomas Aquinas and some of St. Augustine to know that they didn’t consider ending a pregnancy wrong unless the time of “quickening” when the foetus could be felt to move. So it is NOT correct to say that the Church has always said that abortion is wrong - this is something that has been debated since about the 1st Century Church.
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coda
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The Church NEVER said losing a child in the course of saving the mother was or is sinful. Direct killing of the child for no purpose other than convenience is though.Also, someone asked whhen choosing an abortion would be the right call. Most of the Catholics I know and am refering to are talking about early in the pregnancy after a rape and also if the mother’s life is in jeopardy. It’s very easy for someone to say “well that person should always choose the life of the child over their own” - until you have been in that very situation, I don’t think you have any right to say that. I have been in that situation and I’m glad I’m still here. And yes I’m still Catholic. And I’ll answer this before it gets asked -it was a choice where there was very little chance of either of us making it and I waited as long as I could. I also don’t know of a Catholic husband (personally) who would choose to rather see his wife perish than loose a child.
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StCsDavid
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I would challenge you to quote the passages of Aquinas and Augustine for I believe they have been taken out of context. From what I have read, they never said it was okay to deliberately terminate a pregnancy as a morally acceptable practice. Please cite your reference.It was said that for the 2000 yeart plus of the Catholic Church, Abortion has been condemned - that isn’t quite true. All you have to do is read some of St. Thomas Aquinas and some of St. Augustine to know that they didn’t consider ending a pregnancy wrong unless the time of “quickening” when the foetus could be felt to move. So it is NOT correct to say that the Church has always said that abortion is wrong - this is something that has been debated since about the 1st Century Church.
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Corki
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Not exactly. St. Thomas Aquinas believed that ensoulment did not happen until quickening. His writings, which are not doctrinal, asserted that while ending a pregnancy before quickening was a mortal sin, it was a different sin than murder. Since this is not the politics forum, let’s just say that that was the same error made on national TV by a Congresswoman. She was immediately corrected.It was said that for the 2000 yeart plus of the Catholic Church, Abortion has been condemned - that isn’t quite true. All you have to do is read some of St. Thomas Aquinas and some of St. Augustine to know that they didn’t consider ending a pregnancy wrong unless the time of “quickening” when the foetus could be felt to move. So it is NOT correct to say that the Church has always said that abortion is wrong - this is something that has been debated since about the 1st Century Church.
I have never heard of St. Augustine condoning the deliberate ending of a pregnancy. Citation, please?
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YADA
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On this you are wrong … while there may have been some discussion about when the soul entered the child … advocating for abortion was not their point …It was said that for the 2000 yeart plus of the Catholic Church, Abortion has been condemned - that isn’t quite true. All you have to do is read some of St. Thomas Aquinas and some of St. Augustine to know that they didn’t consider ending a pregnancy wrong unless the time of “quickening” when the foetus could be felt to move. So it is NOT correct to say that the Church has always said that abortion is wrong - this is something that has been debated since about the 1st Century Church.
Also, an individual’s opinion [just as today] does not trump official church teaching … At no time has the Church condoned abortion … you cannot post a document that teaches so. your testimony is note enough … Read the Didiche … it clearly lists a prohibition against abortion and infanticide … it is one of the ealiest documents that that comes down to us through time …
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coda
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They NEVER advocated or endorsed killing the child before quickening either–Dont twist words. Get the facts correct BEFORE USING SOMEONE’S WORDS AGAINST THEM. You sound as misinformed as Nancy Pelosi. They were debating the moment of life beginning, not endorsing the taking of it.It was said that for the 2000 yeart plus of the Catholic Church, Abortion has been condemned - that isn’t quite true. All you have to do is read some of St. Thomas Aquinas and some of St. Augustine to know that they didn’t consider ending a pregnancy wrong unless the time of “quickening” when the foetus could be felt to move. So it is NOT correct to say that the Church has always said that abortion is wrong - this is something that has been debated since about the 1st Century Church.
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slyboots
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Pro-choice Catholics are really just very liberal ECUSA folks in disguise.
This is not a criticism of all ECUSA folks. Not all ECUSA folks are liberal pro choicers.
But in both cases they deny the right of Rome and the Holy Father/ magisterium to make faith decisions for us.
This is not a criticism of all ECUSA folks. Not all ECUSA folks are liberal pro choicers.
But in both cases they deny the right of Rome and the Holy Father/ magisterium to make faith decisions for us.
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kage_ar
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I am so very sorry that you were forced to make this decision.
Please, contact rachelsvineyard.org/ - you will meet other Catholics who have been down this road.
Please, contact rachelsvineyard.org/ - you will meet other Catholics who have been down this road.
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Joe_Kelley
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Note that those who wish to be received into the Church at the Easter Vigil will proclaimWow, so what I am getting is a lot of if you don’t agree with the church than too bloody bad - is it just when it comes to this one issue or is it for all issues - I know of very few Catholics - very few Priests that agree 100% with the Catholic church’s teaching and docterine.As I mentioned I was not doing this to get into a fight but to get some good opinions and it seems it’s gone as far as it probably will without going into a fight. So thank you everyone who replied.
**. **The same is required of those who would be considered in communion with the church."I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church believes, teaches, and proclaims to be revealed by God"
**The same **"*Heresy *is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same;
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weemcgee
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I believe abortion would be correct if the child made the decision.Could you explain what situation would make abortion the correct choice?
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RobbyS
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This is the argument that Pelosi and Biden threw out and it is factually wrong. Aquinas did not say that abortion was all right before the quickening. You are confusing the issue with that attending the time of “ensoulment.”It was said that for the 2000 yeart plus of the Catholic Church, Abortion has been condemned - that isn’t quite true. All you have to do is read some of St. Thomas Aquinas and some of St. Augustine to know that they didn’t consider ending a pregnancy wrong unless the time of “quickening” when the foetus could be felt to move. So it is NOT correct to say that the Church has always said that abortion is wrong - this is something that has been debated since about the 1st Century Church.
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Highwayhound
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Forgive me if someone has already brought this to your attention.Also, someone asked whhen choosing an abortion would be the right call. Most of the Catholics I know and am refering to are talking about early in the pregnancy after a rape and also if the mother’s life is in jeopardy. It’s very easy for someone to say “well that person should always choose the life of the child over their own” - until you have been in that very situation, I don’t think you have any right to say that. I have been in that situation and I’m glad I’m still here. And yes I’m still Catholic. And I’ll answer this before it gets asked -it was a choice where there was very little chance of either of us making it and I waited as long as I could. I also don’t know of a Catholic husband (personally) who would choose to rather see his wife perish than loose a child.
Gianna Molla is someone you should meet. Her life and choices are inspirational.
youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=St+Gianna+Molla&aq=f
If you watch both parts 1 and 2 you will see her husband and her daughter. You will hear both of them speak. You can read the words of the daughter that reportedly brought tears to the eyes of our own Pope John Paul II.
God bless
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