Pro-life AND Pro-choice?

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I had a meeting with my PA to essentially complain about a column in the weekly bulletin that struck me as pro-choice (pro-abortion that is).

She told me the story of the mom who’s ultra-sound showed the baby had no head (BTW I’ve heard this one before) and during her counseling told her (the woman with the malformed baby) it would be OK to abort since the baby couldn’t live but a few minutes outside the womb anyway.

Then she related another case where an abused wife came to her and claimed her husband threatened to kill her if she got pregnant again, yadda yadda yadda.

I more or less sat there in stunned silence.

She concluded by saying she is pro-life AND pro-choice.

To those of you who have been following my continuing saga, it was the last straw. I am leaving the Parish. It is beyond my help, but I will continue to pray for it. I am heartbroken over it.
 
I dare say you will find new problems in the next parish. Perhaps the pastor will say that Holy Writ contains errors in places, or perhaps the “faithful” will be especially irreverent. Perhaps your new priest will tell you that you’re not really sinning when you go to confession. Sometimes I think the Pope should place an interdict over the Church in the United States, to begin to set things right.
 
everyone of you catholics should write/call/telegraph/smoke-signal/whatever the vatican because things like this make this protestant thinking about converting think again. when i hear these things i just think how similar the catholic church (in practice) is to the protestant churches. yes, you have history on your side, but when you have a magisterium that does nothing to combat these heresies, it makes me wonder if they even care. i’m wondering if sedevacantism is the way to go. please, do everything you can to get your bishops on the right track.
 
What is a PA? Pastoral Assistant???

Hmmmm…

I’d go to the pastor and then the Bishop and if that fails please post here again with:
  1. your PA’s phone number and email
  2. your pastor’s phone number and email address
  3. Your bishop’s phone number and email
And we will all 1,000 members of this board pester all three of them until your PA resigns and is replaced by a true Catholic.

Amen, brothers and sisters in Christ?
 
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pittsburghjeff:
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:amen: SIgn me up.
 
This kind of rare case is 1 percent of all abortions. Even in this case, the concern is obviously for the parents, not the child. I really wonder about the motives of people who would justify the murder of millions to avoid such difficulties.

A few minutes of life are enough for Baptism and loving good byes.

The same God Who opened the eyes of the blind, Who made the lame walk, Who restored a shrivelled hand, Who raised the dead, will have no trouble EITHER perfecting an infant in the womb OR healing the emotional wounds of parents in such circumstances.
 
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tcaseyrochester:
Then she related another case where an abused wife came to her and claimed her husband threatened to kill her if she got pregnant again, yadda yadda yadda.

I more or less sat there in stunned silence.

She concluded by saying she is pro-life AND pro-choice.
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I’m confused, she thinks it’s ok to kill a baby to please an abusive husband as an act of self-preservation??? Is the threat over after she kills the baby? The self-preservation would be more effective by leaving him and nobody dies.

If you do leave the parish, I would let the pastor know why you are leaving that way they will know that they are losing parishioners because of the PA.
 
I sympathize with you! Just after Easter, my husband and I changed parishes. Not only is our PA very similar to your’s, but our Pastor agreed with her whole-heartedly. I tried to 2-1/2 years to make a difference, but it only got worse.

Is our new parish perfect? No, but at least they are not as overt as the previous parish. BTW, many of our new parishoners are former parishoners of our last parish.

A ground swell is building - have faith!:gopray2:
 
pittsburghjeff said:
This could start a new trend. 👍 I have often wondered if our dear Bishops even realize that attempts, either by the Bishops or the Priests they shepherd, at individualization (read: not completely in line with Church teaching are know throughout the world thanks to these kind of forums. I dare say, a few might gain a new perspective if they knew they were being observed.
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We are, after all, the Church militant. 🙂
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She told me the story of the mom who’s ultra-sound showed the baby had no head (BTW I’ve heard this one before) and during her counseling told her (the woman with the malformed baby) it would be OK to abort since the baby couldn’t live but a few minutes outside the womb anyway.
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(not so) funny thing… my sister is that woman, or one of them. and i was very proud that she resisted about 7 doctors telling her to abort every time she say them for a long time.

we talked to our pastor and he said that since there was no hope, it was morally permissable to induce labor (not in an abortitive fasion) at the gestation period that a baby would normally be conisdered premature but viable. but note this was induced birth, not (insert gruesome description here). the idea was that it was akin to removing life support from a vegitative patient, there was no way the child could survive in any way shape or form. unfortunatly this is moot because the child came naturally too early, and died. 😦

ps i am not arguing the dual view standpoint. i just wanted to point out that these cases actually do happen, and there is a moral way to address them.
 
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She told me the story of the mom who’s ultra-sound showed the baby had no head (BTW I’ve heard this one before) and during her counseling told her (the woman with the malformed baby) it would be OK to abort since the baby couldn’t live but a few minutes outside the womb anyway.
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What I see here is ignorance on the part of this PA. Someone who is not intune with the Church’s teachings. This way of thinking is very much Pro-choice/abortion It is the pro-abortion propagandists who have set this standard and many people who are against abortion for the most part are falling for it.

Their pro-life stand is: If it has no chance of living you might as well end it’s life now, end it’s suffering and any suffering the parents are going through. Many people who identify themselves as pro-choice/pro-life truly believe that this is a Christian ideal and that Jesus would want it this way. They guilt these parents into thinking that they will be saving the child from suffering and taking it’s life before it is born will be the best for the child in the long run.

But, I have seen support web-sites dedicated to parents who have gone through with their pregnancies and given birth to there child. They are incredibly loving people who care very much for their child. What is sad is that many pro-abortionists don’t even believe that a child “born” with this condition is a “person”. There are even some very extremists who believe that since an infant is not fully sentient it should not be a crime to kill and infant (I am talking healthy infant). I just hope some of the people who identify themselves as pro-choice/pro-life realize the type of ideologies that they are helping to support.
 
This is a good start…let’s get together and bombard the pastors and more importantly the bishops with e-mails and telephone calls and maybe, just maybe they’ll get a clue regarding their responsibilities and obligations to the laity. It’s time they lead the flock in the proper direction.
 
Dear bengal_fan: Greetings! I just wanted to note that there have been other centuries during which the Church was infected with serious problems. They take many decades to eradicate. I would say, at a rough guess, that the modernist heresy will take another 30 to 40 years to fully extinguish. The modernist heresy callously reinterprets a great many things always with the result of increasing perceived choices and decreasing devotion and expression. Among the most noteworthy modernist heresies: that Holy Writ contains errors. Obviously we’ll get rid of the heresy eventually. In the meantime Our Lord said he’d be with us, and He can neither deceive nor be deceived. Try reading books by Dietrich Von Hildebrand and his wife Alice.

One of the main reasons to be Catholic, anyway, is to give glory to God through His Church. To be united to His Church and to pray the liturgical prayer of His Church gives Him glory in a way unparalleled elsewhere. So even if the heretics are burning the citadel, you can still give glory to God by being Catholic. ‘They have the buildings, but we have the faith!’ (Bishop – now St. – Athanasius)
 
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pittsburghjeff:
And we will all 1,000 members of this board pester all three of them until your PA resigns and is replaced by a true Catholic.

Amen, brothers and sisters in Christ?
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:amen: 🙂 lilder
 
i really do get tired of the same argument by pro-death people… the ultra-sound shows no hands, no feet, no arms, no legs, no head, and she was raped by the boston strangler… and on, and on, and on…

Let me give you something new… it’s a sin… a grave sin, you know it is a sin, and you know it is a grave sin, now match that up with your free will choice to do it anyway… now your mortally wrong :eek:
 
I attend Mass at the University of Maryland (where I go to school), and once at George Mason. I have found that the priests there are very up to date and do not digress from fundamental Catholic teachings. I think this is so because students are very inquizative (sp?) and will say something if what was said is against Catholic Dogma. For instance the issue of birth control, abortion, and pre-marital sex are ingrained to us a lot since people my age are faced with those subjects frequently. So we definitely know that abortion is completely wrong and evil.

I’d try going to a University Catholic student chapel. The Masses are very uplifting and the priests are usually very vibrant and lively during Mass.
 
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