Pro-Life Hypocrisy

[tapiocapudding]

I tend to agree that showing pictures of chopped up fetuses is in poor taste. I shouldn’t have to explain to a small child why the baby is chopped up. It’s sort of like forcing someone to watch a bloody horror movie when they don’t want to…
That said, I think many other techniques are good ideas- for example I think all women should see an ultrasound with their baby or be shown what their baby looks like at that time. This is something I loved doing during my pregnancy. I think that the vast majority of women do truly love their babies, they just feel pressured or panicked. I don’t think killing babies should be a choice. Almost all women who have an unplanned pregnancy will grow to love their babies if they don’t have a ‘choice’ to kill them. After those initial couple of weeks where Mom freaks out and panics, she eventually comes to terms with her pregnancy and falls in love with her baby, even if circumstances surrounding the pregnancy weren’t ideal, even if she knows she must eventually give the child to someone who would make a better parent. I’ve never met a women in the later stages of pregnancy, planned or not who didn’t love her baby with her whole heart. My pregnancy was unplanned and I was upset at first but never considered killing my baby and within days I was in love with him.
I’ve known 4 friends to end up pregnant in less than ideal situations (unwed, teenager etc). 2 kept their babies, one gave hers up for adoption and one aborted. The only one to regret the decision was the one who aborted. The two who kept their babies believe that accidental pregnancy was one of the best things to happen to them and love their children dearly. They count their blessings every day. The one who gave her baby away loved her son so much that she realized he deserved a family who could give him the life that she couldn’t.
Anyways, I think pregnancy crisis centers are a fantastic way to help a panicked woman bond with her unborn child. I think early ultrasounds and pictures of thriving fetuses at different gestational ages are great too! I just don’t agree with pictures of chopped up babies. I don’t really think that helps the cause.

 

[Jimdandy]

I understand her point - and it’s a good one - but my point is how can you admit that the unborn child is a human being and still be pro-choice?

If you’re talking about the attitude of judgmentalism toward individual women, then you have a point. However, I think Christians are incredibly loving and understanding toward women who get pregnant out of wedlock. I don’t see judgmental attitudes on the part of those who reach out to unwed mothers. On the other hand, these women did get themselves into this situation because of their sinful use of sex. Whether they were fully culpable or not, they objectively misused their sexual powers. Shouldn’t we acknowledge that in our public discourse?

I can not and I am not.

Sinful misuse of sex-the very statement seems judgmental
to me.

whom among us has not committed a mortal sin?

Jesus offers hope and love an a new beginning-for all of us.
Hate the sin, but love the sinner.

 

[Arrowood]

I can not and I am not.

Sinful misuse of sex-the very statement seems judgmental
to me.

whom among us has not committed a mortal sin?

Jesus offers hope and love an a new beginning-for all of us.
Hate the sin, but love the sinner.

So, because we are all sinners, we cannot call anything a sin? We need to be able to identify the illness of sin in order to seek the cure of forgiveness. This is not a matter of saying, “You’re the sinner and I’m the saint.” It’s a matter of lovingly leading people to the truth about who they are as human beings and children of God. That means showing them when they go astray too.

 

[royal_archer]

Yes. A woman has a “choice” whether to have sex or not. If she gets pregnant, she’s responsible. Her baby shouldn’t have to suffer for her choice.

Just like in our legal system the morning after (even the second after) a Husband no longer has any say but is legaly obligated to pay for the support of the child. (with some exceptions)

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

I can not and I am not.

Sinful misuse of sex-the very statement seems judgmental
to me.

whom among us has not committed a mortal sin?

Jesus offers hope and love an a new beginning-for all of us.
Hate the sin, but love the sinner.

Calling an action a sin is not being judgmental, it is being observant. Calling a person a sinner is being judgmental. The Bible expressly tells us to tell someone what is a sin. We are to go so far as to do it in the presence of witnesses if they don’t listen to us. Calling an action a sin and calling an individual person a sinner are two completely different things. Hating the sin means that we must hate it so much that we want to stop it. And how can we possibly help people stop sinning if we remain silent on what is a sin?

In Christ,
Rand

 

[Valentin]

may be PAS leads to the Jesus afterwards, i do not know. but there is one condition, that would happen, if the lady has Jesus in the hearth. so, first we bring Jesus everywhere and let God decide, who has to leave, who has to die …
that is the main topic - GOD decides, not any woman or man…
that is difficult to explain to non believers, but Christians must know. only God gives the life and God takes it !
i am a man, may be that is why is too easy to me be anti abortion.
God bless the desperate ladies killing their babies !

 

[Aquinas74]

When I gaze upon my 2 year old niece whom I love and adore. I ask myself how could anyone want to destroy a life. All life comes from God and is sacred. I pray for a conversion of heart, mind, and soul for all of those who engage in this barbaric practice. For the women I pray for mercy and that they will find there way back to Jesus Christ, the truth, the way, and the life.

 

[ProVobis]

On the other hand, these women did get themselves into this situation because of their sinful use of sex. Whether they were fully culpable or not, they objectively misused their sexual powers. Shouldn’t we acknowledge that in our public discourse?

It’s interesting that in most states, adultery is still against the law but abortion isn’t. (Also fornication, I believe. At least it was in my day when policemen used to go around with flashlights in dark parking lots looking for same.) The only penalty enforced, however, is divorce if your spouse sues you.

 

[elts1956]

The more senses you engage, the deeper the affect upon the psyche. Talking about abortion is, at least, a two sided dialogue. Showing pictures of abortions is psychological abuse and, frankly, I believe that it is a hate crime.

Yes, the pictures and posters of the “left overs” in buckets after an abortion is performed have shock value. Some of those images may remain in the minds and with the senses of women who see them, who in the future will have to make the decision as to whether to let their child live, or end its life through abortion. Those remaining images may be what is needed for a woman to decide to let her child live. If these images are what our thick skinned, relativistic society needs today to bring them to their senses, then so be it. The psychological “abuse” which impacts a woman who has had an abortion is a small price compared to the impact of the abuse and torture an unborn child receives during an abortion… And yes, Howl, it is an act of hate. I hate abortion.

 

[elts1956]

It’s interesting that in most states, adultery is still against the law but abortion isn’t. (Also fornication, I believe. At least it was in my day when policemen used to go around with flashlights in dark parking lots looking for same.) The only penalty enforced, however, is divorce if your spouse sues you.

I think, once in a while we need to get hit by the 2X4 of reality to wake up.

The skull & crossed bones image is ugly, but it conveys the message “Danger” to warn us not to proceed.

The partial-birth abortion image convey the same message “Danger. Do not proceed.”

Tak

I noticed you mention the “partial-birth” abortion. What about ANY abortion?

 

[elts1956]

It’s interesting that in most states, adultery is still against the law but abortion isn’t. (Also fornication, I believe. At least it was in my day when policemen used to go around with flashlights in dark parking lots looking for same.) The only penalty enforced, however, is divorce if your spouse sues you.

Yes. A woman has a “choice” whether to have sex or not. If she gets pregnant, she’s responsible. Her baby shouldn’t have to suffer for her choice.

And I hope we all remember the male counterpart also has an obligation not to participate in the sexual act before marriage. I see much written of the “sinful” acts of the female, what about the fathers?

 

[nannygirl]

And I hope we all remember the male counterpart also has an obligation not to participate in the sexual act before marriage. I see much written of the “sinful” acts of the female, what about the fathers?

Yes, of course both have a choice whether or not to have sex outside of marriage. What I meant about the woman bearing the responsibility was that most of the time she gets stuck with all of the responsibility. Most women won’t just walk away from their child like a lot of men do, hence they carry most of the burden. Even if a man pays child support - well it’s easier to just write a check every month than actually be involved with a child. Now before I get slammed by all the men, I know there are a few good men who haven’t turned their backs on their kids, but I know a lot of single mothers who are doing it completely alone with no support whatsoever.

 

[elts1956]

Yes, of course both have a choice whether or not to have sex outside of marriage. What I meant about the woman bearing the responsibility was that most of the time she gets stuck with all of the responsibility. Most women won’t just walk away from their child like a lot of men do, hence they carry most of the burden. Even if a man pays child support - well it’s easier to just write a check every month than actually be involved with a child. Now before I get slammed by all the men, I know there are a few good men who haven’t turned their backs on their kids, but I know a lot of single mothers who are doing it completely alone with no support whatsoever.

Hello Nanny Girl. Yes, I realize the reality of life. I was just ranting. I have had a couple of my female cousins have children outside of marriage. I know if it hadn’t been for the support they received from their parents, siblings and other relatives, they would have been unable to keep the child. I am all for adopting. In fact, our son is adopted. He has always been, from day one, “my son”. I wasn’t aiming my diatribe at you, because I think most women understand the difficulties of having a child with little, or no support. That is why organizations like Birthright are so good. They try to help women get through trials that othrwise would overwhelm them. Peace.