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catholic2
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I know it’s going to happen but when? Bothers me a bit whenever I hear “for all” at the consecration.
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Deacon_Ed
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The final translation is still in process so we’re looking at another two years at least before we see this and the other changes such as the shift from “we believe” to “I believe”.
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SarahR
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Are you referring to the part, “…or you and for all, so that sins may be forgiven…” ?
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frommi
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Not sure it should necessairly bother you…
However…it sounds like final votes aren’t going to happen until about 2010…which puts a translation in the hands of the people probably around Advent of 2011…
However…it sounds like final votes aren’t going to happen until about 2010…which puts a translation in the hands of the people probably around Advent of 2011…
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catholic2
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Yes. The original Greek text and the Latin Vulgate refers to “many” instead of “all”. (Multi vs Omni)
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catholic2
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Well it seemed to have bothered the current Vatican power, and I don’t think there is a vote involved here. It will happen.
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catholic2
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Seems to me that a black marker and pencil could do the job right now. I can understand that when a great truth is examined, that time and meditation may be warranted by the Church, but when a blatant error is revealed, the mitigation should be immediate.
Thanks!
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Deacon_Ed
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But that’s not how the Church works. Even though the Holy Father can mandate a change, he generally refrains from doing that for a number of reasons. As I mentioned earlier, the process is still not finished and requires more work, both on the part of Rome and on the part of the bishops of the English speaking countries (not just the United States).
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catholic2
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…resignation…
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catholic2
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Just googled elephant gestation… 22 months? been that long, it seems. need rabbits…lemmings…
Thanks for the thread…
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ProVobis
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I believe there is a vote involved. Two-thirds of American bishop votes are required to implement the new translations. So far it looks very “iffy.”
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ProVobis
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I would agree with this. If the priest were to recite the Consecration or Canon in Latin where Christ’s words are true, it would be perfectly legal to do so.
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Phemie
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As I understand it, the Ordinary of the Mass has already been translated and accepted by all English speaking countries and the Pro Multi question has been resolved. That Book is now in Rome for approval.
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ProVobis
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catholic2
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Very informative article. I think it shows that Bishops are not trained semanticists, as well as those in the *International Commission for English in the Liturgy, *a group that has been criticized by the Vatican “for making unauthorized changes in the language and meaning of the Latin originals.” The example set by some of our religious leaders in the USA graphically sets forth IMO an example of disobedience which diametrically oppose the obedience they demand of the laity and clerics under them.
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catholic2
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I find this intriguing. Do you think its OK to mix a Latin Consecration with a vernacular Mass? If so, I might just ask my priest to do so…
That being said, I would be quite happy going to a non-schismatic Latin Mass in my area, but there is none, and I don’t think it is being encouraged.
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ProVobis
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I believe this is done on EWTN a lot. There is no special permission required to say any part of the Mass in Latin, and I think by now, many know the Latin words of Consecration already so it’s not like it should freak them out. I certainly don’t see too much support for leaving the “for you and for all” in the Consecration, whether you’re for or against the Latin Mass.
Keep trying. The SP issued by the Pope last year was supposed to encourage more Latin Masses.
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