Proof for not God?

[Skeptic92]

Thanks for sharing the distinction!

Would the following be a better understanding?
I perceive infinite memory as possible given interactions within an infinite future. Since God interacts with beings that live forever, His memory never ceases growing.

“growing” implies change or motion from potency to act; which would violate Divine Immutability. I think it’s time to “Ite Ad Thomam!”

dhspriory.org/thomas/QDdeVer2.htm#12[/URL]

 

[jochoa]

“growing” implies change or motion from potency to act; which would violate Divine Immutability. I think it’s time to “Ite Ad Thomam!”

dhspriory.org/thomas/QDdeVer2.htm#12

Thanks for the good share!

 

[Secularism]

Even if god knew all time at once, he could not have infinite memory. This is because if a god had infinite memory, then the present moment would not exist for him.

 

[Secularism]

First assumption: That God is limited by the laws of physics. However, if God is an infinite being, how could the limited laws of physics, including the law against infinite memory, apply? Our God is not a creature of this universe.

Second assumption: That only that which is physical exists. Does Math exist? It is not physical, although it has many physical expressions. What of love, or justice, or any of the other non-physical virtues?

Third assumption: that the laws of physics, which are descriptive and always subject to further refinement, that is, to change, are universal. Well, we thought for many decades that Newton’s Laws of mechanics were universal and always applied. We first noted some problems in calculating the orbit of Mercury; now we have instruments precise enough that the GPS system has to be adjusted for relativistic effects. We have similar problems when it comes to calculating, say, radiation, which includes the effects of quantum mechanics. Indeed, we don’t precisely know how to calculate the effects of both relativity and quantum physics–so we know our rules are inadequate for expressing reality. How can we begin to claim that God is bound by them?

All of your assumptions are wrong. I proved that god cannot be an infinite being. Your second assumption is wrong. Math does not exist. Justice does not exist. Hate and love do physically exist in the human mind. Math is a imaginary human invention which has the ability to make infallible discoveries. Your third assumption is stupid. Everything which exists has a physical law which applies to it. So yeah, you are wrong.

 

[Secularism]

It’s amateur hour in philosophy.

But if God knew ALL of time at once (which is what the Church teaches) this argument collapses.

Nonsense. The laws of physics describe how things behave. They do not create anything. If space were empty the laws of physics would still apply.

Do thoughts exist? Do dreams exist? Does love (or hate) exist? Does the number five exist? If A=B, does A exist?

There’s no law in physics that precludes an infinite source of energy. In fact, some laws stipulate it (for example, as an object approaches the speed of light, it’s mass approaches infinity, requiring an infinite source of energy to move it. There’s nothing in Relativity that precludes such a source from existing).

Do thoughts exist? Do dreams exist? Does love (or hate) exist? Does the number five exist? Does time exist?

Noooo, that would be the Higgs Boson. And matter cannot be a force (force is energy - the product of mass and acceleration).

The net mass/energy of the universe is constant, even at a quantum level. This simply supposes that all of the mass in the universe once existed as energy (no matter) and somehow, in a billionth of a second, 14.3 billion years ago, that balance shifted dramatically. Nobody can cite a reputable physicist who holds that opinion. And, besides, it has nothing to do with God. Even were it true, it would only describe HOW God created the universe.

It’s not a discovery, it’s a theory, and one that is held by a small minority of physicists (as a way to explain quantum superposition). And, besides, a multiverse does not preclude God as its origin.

You are so stupid… The laws of physics do create things. Thoughts physically exist in the mind. Love and hate physically exist in the mind. The number five does not exist. It is a imaginary human invention. A does not exist. A is an imaginary human invention. There is a law of physics which precludes infinite energy. In order to reach the speed of light, you must have infinite energy. It is impossible to obtain infinite energy. The laws of physics do place limits. Dark matter does give objects gravity. Higgs boson = Dark matter. Quantum fluctuations does not explain how god created the universe. You are the stupidest person I have ever met. A theory is a fact. You idiot.

 

[adawgj]

You are so stupid… The laws of physics do create things. Thoughts physically exist in the mind. Love and hate physically exist in the mind. The number five does not exist. It is a imaginary human invention. A does not exist. A is an imaginary human invention. There is a law of physics which precludes infinite energy. In order to reach the speed of light, you must have infinite energy. It is impossible to obtain infinite energy. The laws of physics do place limits. Dark matter does give objects gravity. Higgs boson = Dark matter. Quantum fluctuations does not explain how god created the universe. You are the stupidest person I have ever met. A theory is a fact. You idiot.

Is it really all that necessary to call others stupid on this forum.

 

[Mystophilus]

All of your assumptions are wrong. I proved that god cannot be an infinite being.

No, you did not. You asserted it. Assertion is not proof.

Further, your assertion was evidently based upon a misapprehension of the nature of consciousness. An omniscient consciousness of time means that “the present” ceases to exist only as a moment separate from other moments: all of time exists together in such a consciousness. This is not at all illogical, and so the claim against God being able to know all of time remains undemonstrated.

Math does not exist. Justice does not exist. Hate and love do physically exist in the human mind. Math is a imaginary human invention which has the ability to make infallible discoveries.

If mathematics does not exist, then how does it have ability? You are evidently conflating “existence” and “physical existence”. You are also conflating “mind” and “brain”: emotions and thoughts exist physically in the latter, not in the former.

Your third assumption is stupid. Everything which exists has a physical law which applies to it. So yeah, you are wrong.

Given the weakness of your own claims, I would advise against using the word “stupid”.

You cannot prove the claim in your second sentence. Quite simply, human knowledge does not extend that far: while we currently believe that we understand some of the consistent principles of observable reality, we are (at present, but possibly ever) wholly incapable of knowing all of the laws of everything, and only when we know that much can we reasonably make statements about what everything does or does not do.