Prophet of Doom

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Sorry, I already posted this in another thread, but nobody responded. So here goes again…

Has anyone here heard of Craig Winn? He is an expert on Islam, after studying not only the quran, but also the other early writings about Muhammid (Hadith). After 9/11 he dedicated his life to learning the truth about Islam (even to the point of meeting with terrorists at gunpoint) and what he found is scary. Although he also has anti-Catholic leanings, probably from a lack of study on Church history, his study on Islam is all based on their own writings and history. He wrote two books, “Tea With Terrorists” and “Prophet of Doom” which can both be read online via his website. His website also has a lot of other good resources. Here it is for anyone who is interested:

prophetofdoom.net/

Any comments or opinions would be appreciated.:tiphat:
 
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Feanaro:
Sorry, I already posted this in another thread, but nobody responded. So here goes again…

Has anyone here heard of Craig Winn? He is an expert on Islam, after studying not only the quran, but also the other early writings about Muhammid (Hadith). After 9/11 he dedicated his life to learning the truth about Islam (even to the point of meeting with terrorists at gunpoint) and what he found is scary. Although he also has anti-Catholic leanings, probably from a lack of study on Church history, his study on Islam is all based on their own writings and history. He wrote two books, “Tea With Terrorists” and “Prophet of Doom” which can both be read online via his website. His website also has a lot of other good resources. Here it is for anyone who is interested:

prophetofdoom.net/

Any comments or opinions would be appreciated.:tiphat:
Just a thought. Does the author know arabic of the Koran and hadtih? Did he study the sciences involved in these scriptures?
How can we trust him on Islam if he even have faults in his study of church history?

manx
 
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manx:
Just a thought. Does the author know arabic of the Koran and hadtih? Did he study the sciences involved in these scriptures?
How can we trust him on Islam if he even have faults in his study of church history?

manx
I’m pretty sure the sources he uses are acurate translations. As for whether or not he knows arabic or not, I’m not so sure. I understand your point about trusting him about this if his knowledge of church history isn’t so great. This has made me a bit apprehensive as well, but on the other hand, it doesn’t automatically meen he is wrong about Islam. Just that he might not have as much knowledge of Church history as he does about Islam.

Did you go to his site?
 
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Feanaro:
I’m pretty sure the sources he uses are acurate translations. As for whether or not he knows arabic or not, I’m not so sure. I understand your point about trusting him about this if his knowledge of church history isn’t so great. This has made me a bit apprehensive as well, but on the other hand, it doesn’t automatically meen he is wrong about Islam. Just that he might not have as much knowledge of Church history as he does about Islam.
He Feanaro,

I’m a Muslim, so my viewpoint is biased. But I’ve found Craig Winn to be the worst of the Anti-Muslims. Take that as you will.

Regarding your comment, “he might not have as much knowledge of Church history as he does about Islam” is off the mark, considering that Islam, for Americans, is a difficult topic to tackle, whereas CHristianity is in the very language we live in. I really doubt he understands either religion very well.
 
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Munawar:
CHristianity is in the very language we live in.
Yes, but it hasn’t always been. Christ and his apostles spoke Aramaic and most of the New Testament was written in ancient Greek. The entire Bible was then translated into the Latin Vulgate by St. Jerome. The proper interpretation therefore has always been with the Catholic Church, the only Church who has Apostolic succession and was responsible for writing the entire New Testament. Not to mention the Church responsible for discerning which books even belonged in the New Testament.

So it is easy to see why non-Catholics can misinterpret the Bible when reading it in contemporary language without knowledge of history and context.

However, as far as I know Islam does not have one authoritative body, like the Church, that claims to have succession back to Muhammid. Therefore many Muslim groups can interpret the Quran differently.

The reason I take Craig Winn seriously is because he studied the earliest Hadith, written by Muhammid’s disciples. Using these writings as well as studying history, he then ordered the Quran chronologically to give it context. If what Muhammid’s own disciples had to say about him and his teaching wasn’t very good, then I find it hard to trust Islam.
 
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Feanaro:
Sorry, I already posted this in another thread, but nobody responded. So here goes again…

Has anyone here heard of Craig Winn? He is an expert on Islam, after studying not only the quran, but also the other early writings about Muhammid (Hadith). After 9/11 he dedicated his life to learning the truth about Islam (even to the point of meeting with terrorists at gunpoint) and what he found is scary. Although he also has anti-Catholic leanings, probably from a lack of study on Church history, his study on Islam is all based on their own writings and history. He wrote two books, “Tea With Terrorists” and “Prophet of Doom” which can both be read online via his website. His website also has a lot of other good resources. Here it is for anyone who is interested:

prophetofdoom.net/

Any comments or opinions would be appreciated.:tiphat:
Hello Feanaro,

While I am a Catholic and do not believe in Islam I must agree with Munawar. Please research Craig Winn before you accept him as an “expert” on Islam.

He is very anti-Islam. And he is so only after 9-11. He is an opportunist who made his money in the dot.com era and even then, less than honorably.

There are many other authors much more worthwhile of your time. Munawar may not agree but I would say:

Daniel Pipes
Ibn Warraq
Bernard Lewis and an opposing view:

Edward Said
 
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iamrefreshed:
Hello Feanaro,

While I am a Catholic and do not believe in Islam I must agree with Munawar. Please research Craig Winn before you accept him as an “expert” on Islam.

He is very anti-Islam. And he is so only after 9-11. He is an opportunist who made his money in the dot.com era and even then, less than honorably.

There are many other authors much more worthwhile of your time. Munawar may not agree but I would say:

Daniel Pipes
Ibn Warraq
Bernard Lewis and an opposing view:

Edward Said
Thanks iamrefreshed, I went to Daniel Pipes’ web site and it seems very good. I also put “Why I Am Not A Muslim” by Ibn Warraq on hold at the library, have you read it? Thanks again for the info, I’ll keep what you said about Craig Winn in mind although I still think he might be a decent resource on Islam.
 
Craig Winn’s Prophet of Doom is MasterPiece. Fanatistic Work !

Anyway, To know about Mohammed and his doctrine, just read Ishaq’s manuscript called: Sirat Rasul Allah. Extremely disturbaing.
Muslims own scripture discredit Mohammed and his immoral unholy life. Muslim’s own scripture say Mohammed doesn’t deserve to be called as Prophet.

Many muslims don’t know about their Prophet. All they heard is Sugar Coated Islam which is diluted to deceive them.
 
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Feanaro:
I’m pretty sure the sources he uses are acurate translations. As for whether or not he knows arabic or not, I’m not so sure.

Well from what you said, it just reinforced my opinion about not trusting the author. Translations of the Koran will never be the same as the original. I guess I can say the same thing about the Bible. If I am not mistaken, Muslims prefer to call a translated Koran as " translation of the meanings of the Koran".

manx
 
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iamrefreshed:
Please research Craig Winn before you accept him as an “expert” on Islam.
iamrefreshed, So According to you, You must research Mohammed before you know about Islam.
 
Proud Kafir:
Craig Winn’s Prophet of Doom is MasterPiece. Fanatistic Work !

Anyway, To know about Mohammed and his doctrine, just read Ishaq’s manuscript called: Sirat Rasul Allah. Extremely disturbaing.
Muslims own scripture discredit Mohammed and his immoral unholy life. Muslim’s own scripture say Mohammed doesn’t deserve to be called as Prophet.

Many muslims don’t know about their Prophet. All they heard is Sugar Coated Islam which is diluted to deceive them.
Actually, I find your postings more disturbing because I have been doing my own research about Islam. I also look at anti-Islamic articles but I don’t normally buy them. Why? I learned a big lesson! When I checked their writings with other authentic materials, I found several misconceptions and deliberate lies from the anti -Islamists. So my adivce is be careful in being hooked into the propaganda.

manx
 
Proud Kafir:
iamrefreshed, So According to you, You must research Mohammed before you know about Islam.
I think that is a fair statement by you.
 
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manx:
Actually, I find your postings more disturbing because I have been doing my own research about Islam. I also look at anti-Islamic articles but I don’t normally buy them. Why? I learned a big lesson! When I checked their writings with other authentic materials, I found several misconceptions and deliberate lies from the anti -Islamists. So my adivce is be careful in being hooked into the propaganda.

manx
Dear manx,
You don’t need to refer to anti-islamic web sites to know about Islam and Mohammed. Read muslim’s own islamic scriptures which they claims authentic. Read the history of Mohammed, islam written by early islamic scholors, read Sunnah of Mohammed written by Bukari, Muslim, Abu Dawud. Muslim’s own scripture says Mohammed lived an unholy, immoral life. Islam discredits itself. Just copy a hadith and paste in a muslim forum, they will blame you as anti-islamic. Muslims can’t accept criticism, can’t face truth. As long as you don’t question their beliefs, you are not anti-islamic. When you question them, you will be branded as anti-islamic.

Islam discredits itself. Let me quote with an example,

Read this Hadith about coitus interruptus by yourself.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3371: Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (coitus interruptus, Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Sahih Bukhari. Volume 8, Book 77, Number 600: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We get SLAVE GIRLS from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus(Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception)?

What did the Last Prophet who is the mercy of Allah to mankind said to them? Muhammad was shocked to hear his companions observe coitus interruptus. Rasul Allah chided them for coitus interruptus, “You fooools! Why did you fools observe coitus interruptus? It is better for you not to observe coitus interruptus as sex would be more fun this way, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created.” That is my paraphrase of what Muhammad said to his companions. Read Sahih Muslim 3373 to read the exact words.

Instead of rebuking them for raping women, the mercy of Allah Mohammed said, “Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judgment must be born. It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.”

It shows to us how disgusting this Muhammad was. Instead of teaching his followers self-control and to be faiithful to their wives who were waiting at home, he encouraged them to rape women without doing 'azl. Muhammad was more sinful than his rapist companions. At least the rapist companions still have the heart to not make these rape victims pregnant. But to Muhammad, it doesn’t matter whether these rape victims got pregnant or not.

1.2 billion muslims still consider this mohammed as highly morale man, highly exemplary man, a role model to entire humanity. You compare the character of mohammed with other founders of major religions. None of them has involved in this kind of disgusting act and claim i am the messenger of God. A common muslim doesn’t know this. Mullahs and Imams have lied to them.

For Hadith Reference Refer : usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html (highly authentic)
Hadiths were not written by me. By muslims, by early muslim scholors.
 
Proud Kafir:
Dear manx,
You don’t need to refer to anti-islamic web sites to know about Islam and Mohammed. Read muslim’s own islamic scriptures which they claims authentic. Read the history of Mohammed, islam written by early islamic scholors, read Sunnah of Mohammed written by Bukari, Muslim, Abu Dawud. Muslim’s own scripture says Mohammed lived an unholy, immoral life. Islam discredits itself. Just copy a hadith and paste in a muslim forum, they will blame you as anti-islamic. Muslims can’t accept criticism, can’t face truth. As long as you don’t question their beliefs, you are not anti-islamic. When you question them, you will be branded as anti-islamic.

Islam discredits itself. Let me quote with an example,
You made an interesting point there. I wish the Muslims in this forum will try to answer your post. I will also ask other Muslims “politely” for their opinion about those hadiths you gave.

Thanks,

manx
 
sorry to bump an old thread, but i came across a refutation of this book by winn and thought i’d post the url to it. it’s written by jalal abualrub, a convert to islam who is presently an imam of a masjid in florida and a translator of many arabic works into the english language.

prophet of mercy vs. prophet of doom
 
Anyone who twists and distorts Church history as much as Mr. Winn does should not be trusted to give an evaluation of Islam. A lot of us know our history and can easily refute Mr. Winn’s claims (e.g., Constantine founded the Roman Catholic Church); few of us are familiar enough with Islam to do the same in that field.
 
And not only has Jalal thoroughly refuted all of Winn’s claims, but by the help of Allaah, both Jalal and Winn appeared on an hour long radio show early this week to debate several of the issues. Winn was clearly shown to be ignorant of Islaam and simply a hater.

If he were to debate with a Catholic, I would not be surprised if they same thing were also proved.
 
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jcaz:
And not only has Jalal thoroughly refuted all of Winn’s claims, but by the help of Allaah, both Jalal and Winn appeared on an hour long radio show early this week to debate several of the issues. Winn was clearly shown to be ignorant of Islaam and simply a hater.
someone posted an mp3 of this debate on another forum. i thought i’d post a link to it for whoever’s interested in listening.

answering-christianity.com/jalal_winn_debate.mp3
(right click and save as if possible, we don’t want to kill their bandwidth).
 
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r.gonzales:
it’s written by jalal abualrub, a convert to islam who is presently an imam of a masjid in florida and a translator of many arabic works into the english language.
just wanted to make a correction to a mistake i made about brother jalal abualrub, he’s not a convert to islam, but is a born muslim of palestinian decent.
 
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iamrefreshed:
Hello Feanaro,

While I am a Catholic and do not believe in Islam I must agree with Munawar. Please research Craig Winn before you accept him as an “expert” on Islam.

He is very anti-Islam. And he is so only after 9-11. He is an opportunist who made his money in the dot.com era and even then, less than honorably.

There are many other authors much more worthwhile of your time. Munawar may not agree but I would say:

Daniel Pipes
Ibn Warraq
Bernard Lewis and an opposing view:

Edward Said
as well as Serge Trifkovic
 
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