Prophets and New Arrivals

[jayceeii]

Pace:

He would have to come silently, not saying a word; any word by him could and would be used in the service of the devil (human nature being what it is and the times now being Herod-like times).

He would have to come ‘disguised’ (by our very perceptions, as happened with his first coming) as a movie.

His disciples would be those who love and follow the mystery of that ‘movie’.

But alas, I still haven’t answered your question…

This is an extremely interesting response. You seem to be saying that the Lord may have to move in darkness during the second coming, behind the scenes as it were, at least initially. I’m not saying that it’s happening now, I’m just giving a hypothetical scenario. It seems likely to me that the Creator embodied, who is the Lord, may not be able to meet His creatures, who are mankind, directly. There must be some intervening agency, angels say. Pilate and the Pharisees did not recognize Jesus, but the disciples did recognize Him. It seems odd, but the Christians who are waiting for Christ may not be qualified to meet Him. They are not able to look up high enough, to comprehend their very Maker is with them. The power and glory of the second coming, as Noetikos (whoever that is) stated, would not necessarily be a special effects show in the sky; it may be more intellectual, that is to say spiritual, if one accepts that Reason is a fundamental attribute of the soul.

 

[Pace]

adnauseum:

As the thread unfolds it is evidently a marketing gimmick for an esoteric movie.

All I can say is, do you get a Lars von Trier lunch box when you purchase a ticket?

Add another moonbat cult to my list.

I notice how the moonbats attracted sympathy bashing from protestant types. Very telling indeed.

Also as the thread unfolds the reasoned arguments may turn into suspicion. Now this should remind us of something, shouldn’t it? This is exacly following the course that the Life of Our Lord took. In direct proportion to him exhausting himself in word and deed (in trying to convince us that the news he was bringing was indeed good news) he was thought of by some as becoming increasingly “esoteric”, and a troublemaker. Suspicion took over. This is exactly what takes place in the wake of Lynch and von Trier. Indeed this is the greatest argument that they are from God.

The unconscious philosophy that ‘the movies’ (i.e. most movies) have taught us is this: I don’t know if this thing is good or bad, therefore it is bad. In other words, it has taught us to distrust, and even hate, mystery.

Would you like to discuss what you find objectionable in the von Trier movies? Or could you tell us what you think is esoteric in either Lynch or von Trier?

 

[catholickyle]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CARose: If anything, the Catholic Church is the one Church most prepared for the coming of our Lord, in whatever form He choses to take, be it as a Man or as a humble piece of bread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by catholickyle: Why do you believe this? Would you venture a description in answer to the question: how would Jesus be allowed to approach the church, were He to come in a body, as before, and with disciples, as before?

CARose:

I believe this because this is the church founded by Christ himself and as I don’t know the exact how of his return, I do know that he established a church on earth for the express purpose of retaining the fullness of his Gospel and the necessary preparation of mankind for his return. Therefore I trust that in his infinite wisdom, he has ensured that we will know him on his return. We already are blessed with his presence in the Tabernacles of the world and his presence at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but if you’re really Catholic, Kyle, you already know and appreciate that truth.

Kyle replies: Yes, I understand that this Church was founded by Jesus, the Lord; but look, He explicitly said that He would come as a thief in the night, and many would cry “Lord, Lord,” without meeting the Bridegroom. I concur that the purpose of the Church is to maintain, uphold, and era-fy (meaning to make the text understandable to the unfolding era), and it would seem obvious that there is a “necessary preparation,” but what is it? Has the Church done this? What is this preparation, of mankind, for His return? You trust that God will think it through for you? I say it so harshly because Jesus also said: Matthew 25:1-13 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, master, master, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
I do appreciate the Presence of Jesus in the Tabernacles as well as at Mass – but He IS coming “like a thief in the night!”

CARose:

Thanks, and yes, I do love him very much for he has been the most incredible influence in my life. He is truly good.

CARose

Kyle: Would you share what good influences you’ve had that have given you more comfort in contrition? I find a great deal of solace in His Name…it seems to have the Power to break my inner chains, just with a few sincere pleas, over time.

 

[catholickyle]

jayceeii:

This is an extremely interesting response. You seem to be saying that the Lord may have to move in darkness during the second coming, behind the scenes as it were, at least initially. I’m not saying that it’s happening now, I’m just giving a hypothetical scenario. It seems likely to me that the Creator embodied, who is the Lord, may not be able to meet His creatures, who are mankind, directly. There must be some intervening agency, angels say. Pilate and the Pharisees did not recognize Jesus, but the disciples did recognize Him. It seems odd, but the Christians who are waiting for Christ may not be qualified to meet Him. They are not able to look up high enough, to comprehend their very Maker is with them. The power and glory of the second coming, as Noetikos (whoever that is) stated, would not necessarily be a special effects show in the sky; it may be more intellectual, that is to say spiritual, if one accepts that Reason is a fundamental attribute of the soul.

Kyle: It seems that Reason is a primary attribute of the soul, the unique ability to reason independent of others, and also with their hindrance or their help. Your characterization of the Lord “moving in darkness” is interesting, fulfilling the idea of stealing the elect like a thief in the night. What is interesting to me is that between the two ideas, presented above, that of the internet, or the cloud, as the vehicle of the Power and Glory expressed by the Second Comer, and the idea that the Lord would hide in mankind’s midst because they were still “too low,” from these two notions, one could venture that the the verse describing the cloud “where all may see” portends that the (2) witnesses will spread the knowledge of the Power and Glory; but why are there only two if all see it?, perhaps it is because there is a real period of initialization that occurs at the start of the Lord’s Ministry (1260 days), though His Mark on Religion grows more and more opulent with time : there is a flash of lightning!