Protestant Apologist James White and sola scriptura... Why does he always now dance around the issue?

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st_felicity said:
Dr. Ray’s behind my cause?! YAY!!!😃

(it’s all about “me” you know;) )
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Actually I meant that he can be a good teacher about humility. After all, he is the five time champion of some kind (or so he mentioned on the show)
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Teflon93 said:
Thank God I’m not the only one—I thought my Bible was missing both the Book of Westminster AND the Table of Contents defining Scripture required by sola scriptura without the pernicious influence of Tradition.
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Yup. I mean there must be bible verses that can answer my infamous 4 questions 🙂
BobCatholic's infamous 4 questions:
Using Scripture alone, please tell me:
  1. Where it says that the number of books in the New Testament is officially 27?
  2. Where does it say what books belong in the NT?
  3. Where does it say what versions of the books belong in the NT? For example: There was a version of Matthew’s Gospel that had 8 chapters worth of text. Another with 18. A third with 28. Which one is the correct one, using Scripture alone?
  4. Where does it say which TRANSLATION of the books in the NT is the correct one?
    The answers to these infamous 4 questions were determined infallibly, and correctly. If they’re not, then there’s no way to practice the principles of Sola Scriptura, since there’s no “Scriptura” to be the “Sola” authority.
    According to Sola Scriptura, there must be a scriptural basis for these infallibly determined beliefs. So I look forward to the Bible verses that answer these 4 questions.
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Ani_Ibi said:
What is a dodge?
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A car owned by Al Bundy which is a piece of junk? 🙂

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In the context we are discussing, a dodge is where someone asks a question, and the opponent doesn’t answer the question, but rather going into another direction to avoid answering the question.
 
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kaycee:
The truth is in Jesus Christ and in His Word. The Church teaches truth and calls men to Christ and, in so doing, functions as the pillar and foundation thereof. The Church does not add revelation or rule over Scripture.
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Here is another question for the list:

Are you equating the Word of God with Scripture even though John 1:1 and all the usages of the Word from the OT and through to the Septuagint mean Second Person of God? Person not text? Yes or no please. Thank you.

And adjunct to that question is: did you read that link which I twice specifally asked you to? Yes or no please. Thank you.
 
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BobCatholic:
A car owned by Al Bundy which is a piece of junk?
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:rotfl:
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BobCatholic:
In the context we are discussing, a dodge is where someone asks a question, and the opponent doesn’t answer the question, but rather going into another direction to avoid answering the question.
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Ah! In the olden days, what was called a red herring?
 
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kaycee:
All that one must believe to be a Christian is found in Scripture and in no other source.
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What about those who have never read the Bible? Or heard the Bible read? What about those folks?

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st_felicity said:
Your issue is with the teachings that you (personally) do not find clearly/explicitly expressed in the Bible.

1st–I don’t believe that you have never received religious instruction and that you rely solely on what you personally have gleaned from the Bible. Just 12 years of Catholic school training and recently 2 years of reformed training at bible institute.
And 2nd–just because you don’t ** personally**
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I certainly go to the Church to settle problems. I just don’t see your church as the authority.
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Kaycee–

Please show me where the Bible claims that it is the SOLE rule of faith for the Christian believer.

Thanks,

DJim
 
But, BobCatholic–how could it possibly be “noplace”? Kaycee is stating that the Bible claims it’s the sole and sufficient rule of faith. Further, Kaycee claims that “That which is not found in Scripture is not binding upon the Christian conscience.”

Therefore, if the Bible does not state explicitly that it is the sole rule of faith, then it cannot be said to be found in Scripture, which would mean, by the very definition provided for “sola scriptura”, the concept of “sola scriptura” is not binding upon the Christian conscience…

Surely Kaycee would not make such a…bizarre?..claim without necessary self-validating proof from Scripture itself??? Surely there must be a passage somewhere that claims Scripture is the sole rule of faith???

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DJim
 
DJim said:
But, BobCatholic–how could it possibly be “noplace”? Kaycee is stating that the Bible claims it’s the sole and sufficient rule of faith. Further, Kaycee claims that “That which is not found in Scripture is not binding upon the Christian conscience.”

Therefore, if the Bible does not state explicitly that it is the sole rule of faith, then it cannot be said to be found in Scripture, which would mean, by the very definition provided for “sola scriptura”, the concept of “sola scriptura” is not binding upon the Christian conscience…

Surely Kaycee would not make such a…bizarre?..claim without necessary self-validating proof from Scripture itself??? Surely there must be a passage somewhere that claims Scripture is the sole rule of faith???

🙂

DJim
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Judging by previous posts, Kaycee will simply change the subject and not respond to this point. As with all things springing from the tree of heresy, we Catholics simply lack the ability to understand this concept, which ought to be no surprise since we failed to discover it for 1,500 years.
 
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This thread is now closed. Thanks to all who participated in the discussion.
 
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