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Founded by Jesus then which one is…
If you beleive it was and went apostate then when thid this happen?
If you beleive it was and went apostate then when thid this happen?
I think that the RCC can probably trace it’s roots back to Jesus. I don’t know when the RCC went a little haywire in it’s orthodoxy, but I believe it was a gradual thing, although I do believe apostate is a bit harsh of a term (there is a lot I like about the Roman Catholic Church…no Rome hating from this Christian ).Founded by Jesus then which one is…
If you beleive it was and went apostate then when thid this happen?
What doctrines are not orthodox?I think that the RCC can probably trace it’s roots back to Jesus. I don’t know when the RCC went a little haywire in it’s orthodoxy, but I believe it was a gradual thing, although I do believe apostate is a bit harsh of a term (there is a lot I like about the Roman Catholic Church…no Rome hating from this Christian ).
I’m not a scholar by any means, this is just how I see things.
~mango~
The this is, if you already agree that the Catholic Church is traceable to the Apostles’, albeit “can probably”, then you are to believe that it is the one and only universal Church of Christ exempt from the evils of the “gates of hell” – since the Lord Himself promised so!!I think that the RCC can probably trace it’s roots back to Jesus. I don’t know when the RCC went a little haywire in it’s orthodoxy, but I believe it was a gradual thing, although I do believe apostate is a bit harsh of a term (there is a lot I like about the Roman Catholic Church…no Rome hating from this Christian ).
I’m not a scholar by any means, this is just how I see things.
~mango~
The thing is…the RCC claims that they are the “True Church”…but what about Eastern Orthodox? It seems to me that they can trace their roots back to the Church of Christ…The this is, if you already agree that the Catholic Church is traceable to the Apostles’, albeit “can probably”, then you are to believe that it is the one and only universal Church of Christ exempt from the evils of the “gates of hell” – since the Lord Himself promised so!!
Now, how can the one, universal Church founded by the Lord Himself go haywire? let alone how can He let heresy creeps in her? does His promise of the guidance of the “Spirit of Truth” means nothing?
The orthodox do have apostolic succesion but they had separated themselves from Peter.The thing is…the RCC claims that they are the “True Church”…but what about Eastern Orthodox? It seems to me that they can trace their roots back to the Church of Christ…
So…somebody’s off. If you guys (the RCC and the Eastern Orthodox Church) can’t even work it out, then how are we supposed to view that claim as a reason to join one or the other?
~mango~
I know that means that they don’t believe in the Pope figure…but what does that entail (if that makes any sense). What repercussions are there (according to the RCC) for denying the position of Pope as the leader of the Church?The orthodox do have apostolic succesion but they had separated themselves from Peter.
To deny the authority established by Jesus is to deny his authority to do so…The erpercutions are for him to judge. But my view is the closer you are to his authitaive church the better of you are…I know that means that they don’t believe in the Pope figure…but what does that entail (if that makes any sense). What repercussions are there (according to the RCC) for denying the position of Pope as the leader of the Church?
Also, is this considered a schism?
~mango~
That my friend is a question still trying to be answered. LOLI know that means that they don’t believe in the Pope figure…but what does that entail (if that makes any sense). What repercussions are there (according to the RCC) for denying the position of Pope as the leader of the Church?
Also, is this considered a schism?
~mango~
S’far as I know, most EO Churches recognise the primacy of the Supreme Pontiff. There are, I believe, 4 Great Patriachs and the Bishop of Rome being the fifth of the Great Patriach – 4 of the EO Patriach acknowledge the power of the Bishop of Rome to intervene with their councils and sometimes exercise authority over them…The thing is…the RCC claims that they are the “True Church”…but what about Eastern Orthodox? It seems to me that they can trace their roots back to the Church of Christ…
So…somebody’s off. If you guys (the RCC and the Eastern Orthodox Church) can’t even work it out, then how are we supposed to view that claim as a reason to join one or the other?
~mango~
Buzz – Let us listen as the Father talks to Jesus:If you beleive it was and went apostate then when thid this happen?
Personally, not that this carries any weight what soever. I think that church died many moons ago. None of the churches were founded by Jesus, of course that does not mean that the churches of today do not serve him. Just an opinion from a jaded left behind.Founded by Jesus then which one is…
If you beleive it was and went apostate then when thid this happen?
So you are suggesting that even though the Eastern Orthodox lay the same claim to succession, because they aren’t united with Rome that they aren’t apart of the Church. Your justification for no division in the Catholic Church is baised on the premise that because you don’t claim them, they don’t cause division. You already suggested that they split from the Church and that they share very similar views, yet you refuse to accept the action as division. A more elaborate explaination of your logic is necessary.As for the Protestant split, they did alot more damage to the Church. As for the Eastern Orthodox as close as they may be they are not Catholic until they are in Union with the Holy See, there is no division with in the Church.