Protestants are catholic & Catholics are Protestants!

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The world right now is attacking, what they think is, the Catholic Church. Night after night we hear about the scandals in the Catholic Church. At the same time it’s hard to find anything about the fact that the Protestant denominations have a worse record of moral abuse. It is also astonishing that for all the multi-billion dollar news networks, staffed with highly educated people, with egos the size of Texas, backed up with, highly paid, investigative research teams, not one of them has reported the fact, that the Catholic Church in America is overwhelmingly Protestant. Catholics who are really Protestants, still think they’re Catholic, and Protestants who look at Catholics, and say, I would never be Catholic, who would fit right in to the American Catholic Church. Protestantism has failed Christianity, but it has been wildly successful in creating divisions in the body of Christ. Protestantism was doomed from the moment Jesus died on the cross, because when Christ died on the cross he established His kingdom on earth, and has been ruling with an iron hand ever since. He has been ruling through the Holy Catholic Church. The Protestant denominations have given in to all the sins of the world, including the murder of innocent babies, and the Catholic Church in America has followed right along. Look at America, and you see Protestantism. The Protestant church, and most of the Catholic Church in America, teach half-truths, which is the way of the devil.

During the Protestant Revolt disobedient catholics had decency to leave the Church. Now they have stayed in, and you can see the results.

SO! what should we do?

In Obedience,
John
 
Evangelize evangelize evangelize, both within the Church and beyond its bounds… But part of that is being wise as serpents but gentle as doves. We need to be careful how we approach our dealings with others, as everything we do may be a chance for evangelization, so we need to choose our words carefully for precision and apropriateness. Even here. Every thread could be the thread that turns someone on or off to the truth.
 
This may be too simple, but I think that we have to work on the next gereration that will lead us when we are old. We must bring up our young men and women to be strong and true in their faith so that they can lead us out of the darkness. I believe that too many “baby boomers” have bought in to the nonsense of the '60’s, 70’s, & 80’s that has dumbed down the teachings of the Church.
 
Now, this is the first time I have read about the American Catholic church acting as “Protestants”. I have a friend, (who is from Mexico) that told me the church here in the USA is different. “You folks do things differently here”! I used to respond, no, no…what are you talking about?? Well, that was almost 10 years ago and I have been studing and learning the sensitive details and I now am just begining to understand! It is a shame that I have never been properly educated in my catholisicm at an earlier age.
To respond to your question, thanks be to God there are many programs on EWTN (Eternal Word Television Network) and Catholic Answers that help teach the TRUTH!!! Now, I don’t always feel I am rightous, but I have a burning fire that drives me to SPEAK up about the truth to those who don’t know or those who cut down our gift from Christ, the Holy Catholic Church.

Spread the word…like many protestants, but live the word like the saints and know how blessed we are to have this special church to help us to be more like Christ and a greater opportunity to enter into heaven through the mercy of our heavenly Father.
 
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To respond to your question, thanks be to God there are many programs on EWTN (Eternal Word Television Network) and Catholic Answers that help teach the TRUTH!!! Now, I don’t always feel I am rightous, but I have a burning fire that drives me to SPEAK up about the truth to those who don’t know or those who cut down our gift from Christ, the Holy Catholic Church.
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Awesome!

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John
 
The “protestantization” of the catholic church happened during the 1960s when the Vatican decided that “Christian Unity” could only be achieved through watering down the catholic mass in order align ourselves more closely with mainline protestantism.

In fact, I read somewhere that the Novus Ordo mass was created by a committe that included several Protestant experts who sought to make changes in the mass that downplayed the role of the preist, gave greater power to the laity, and ultimately, took the focus away from the fact that the mass is a proprietory sacrifice. To paraphrase Martin Luther, the key to destroying the Catholic Church is to destroy the mass. It’s interesting to see just how true his words are today!
 
oldschoolcath23,
The “protestantization” of the catholic church happened during the 1960s when the Vatican decided that “Christian Unity” could only be achieved through watering down the catholic mass in order align ourselves more closely with mainline protestantism.
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I was alive then, and I would disagree. I attend the Novus Ordo mass now, and it’s awesome!

What happened in the 60’s was a break down in morals! The birth control pill made children optional. Sex was safe! Mortal sin entered the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church protested.

The Protestants led the way, and still do.

oldschoolcath23, Protect your spiritual life and avoid the “Tratitional Movement.” The SSPX are not Catholic. They are Protestants!

John
 
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oldschoolcath23, Protect your spiritual life and avoid the “Tratitional Movement.” The SSPX are not Catholic. They are Protestants!
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Well said. Traditional Catholics have stood directly behind the pope, supporting him for nearly 2000 years…

Nowadays, people call themselves “traditional” when they abandon the Bishop of Rome, acting like goats in following their own ideas.

The same thing happened after Vatican Council I in the middle of the 19th century. The “Old Catholic Church” was formed by Catholics who could not abide with the doctrine of papal infallibility which was formally pronounced at that Council.

It’s interesting that SSPX (Society of St. Pius X) has already fractured, spawning the SSPV (Society of St. Pius V).

Schism leads to schism leads to schism leads to schism…

Peace in Christ…Salmon
 
I was a rebel of sorts for most of my life. For me, this issue is vital. I was raised in a Protestant family and when I realized my need to return to God and follow Jesus Christ, I knew that I could not be a Protestant. After reading some of the early church fathers and knowing that the Catholic Church was the Church founded by Jesus Christ it put the whole 16th century rebellion into perspective. For indeed, it was a rebellion.

The rebellion (dissent) in the Catholic Church is centered today, in my opinion, on an unwillingness to give up everything and follow Jesus. When we are attached to things, we become disobedient and rebellious, when the teachings of the Church might interfere with our holding onto these things. Jesus told us that it is very difficult for a rich man to enter the Kingdom. Isn’t the so-called “prosperity gospel” you hear about these days a Protestant invention? Trying to have it both ways I think.

When does a dissenting Catholic become a Protestant for all intents and purposes? I’m not sure where the line is but I think a disobedient Catholic could be in far worse peril than a Protestant that doesn’t know any better.

The answer? I would suggest what the Holy Father has mentioned several times in his audiences and encyclicals. Evangelization starting within the Church. That would mean orthodox catechesis for starters. It is happening already in places.
The other obvious thing we can do is very constant specific prayer, focussed directly on renewal. Ask the Holy Spirit to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. I have also been appealing to St. Peter, our first pope, the rock on which the church was built, as well as St. Paul whose whole life was teaching and guiding the early church, St. John the Evangelist who was so close to our Lord, and above all to the Blessed Virgin Mary whose concern for the church has been manifest over and over. All these I call upon, I plead with, I implore to intercede with God through Christ to send the Holy Spirit to convict hearts and minds and sweep our land like a prairie fire.
Beyond that, I pray that I will be ready when God asks me to do something for Him.
 
First of all, I’m not actually a member of the SSPX or of any related group, in fact, the tridentine mass I attend is an indult mass sanctioned by the JPII himself. In addition I do attend the Novus Ordo mass as well. I just don’t think that certain practices such as placing the tabernacle in its own sanctuary off of the altar (which really isn’t an altar at all, but a table) are true to what the catholic church has taught or practiced throughout her history…

The answer is not through some new splinter group, because groups like the SSPX and the Sedevacantists are in fact protestant. The answer is through a purification of the Roman Church starting with the faithful who are here now…If the collapse of morality in society can be reversed, it will also happen within the church as well!
 
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