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Atreyu
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If so, what is it?
I think I want to exclude Anglicans from my definition of “Protestants” for this thread…
I think I want to exclude Anglicans from my definition of “Protestants” for this thread…
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Contarini
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Oh shucks! Can I pretend to be a Methodist for the sake of this thread? (Just kidding
)Edwin
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Atreyu
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G’day Edwin, how are you? You can join in if you want! I don’t want you to miss out or anything; I just thought you’d probably be more “on my side” as it were, in this thread. But of course, you’re more than welcome to prove me wrongOh shucks! Can I pretend to be a Methodist for the sake of this thread? (Just kidding
Edwin
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Atreyu
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Hmm no takers…
I’m really curious as to whether or not Protestants believe in schism. I’ll explain why. Let’s say you have a Church, and there are some people in this Church that believe in infant Baptism, whereas there are others that do not believe in infant Baptism. Now things come to a head for some reason or another, and these two ideas end up segragating the Church into two camps who believe they are irreconcilable. They “schism”, forming two new equally sized Churches.
But does anyone really believe a schism has taken place? Does one Church believe they are the One True Church and the other Church is wrong inasmuch as they disagree with the One True Church? If not, then what do they believe?
I’m really curious as to whether or not Protestants believe in schism. I’ll explain why. Let’s say you have a Church, and there are some people in this Church that believe in infant Baptism, whereas there are others that do not believe in infant Baptism. Now things come to a head for some reason or another, and these two ideas end up segragating the Church into two camps who believe they are irreconcilable. They “schism”, forming two new equally sized Churches.
But does anyone really believe a schism has taken place? Does one Church believe they are the One True Church and the other Church is wrong inasmuch as they disagree with the One True Church? If not, then what do they believe?
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SIA
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Thank you! I will feel graciously and cordially
excluded then.
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LutheranDK
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I think there were no replies, because it was unclear what you meant.
But no: I do not consider any one denomination the “One True Church”.
I consider the “One, Holy Catholic Church” the one true church.
And let me explain before you spit coffee all over your monitor in surprise
I believe that the One, Holy, Catholic Church is NOT identical to the Roman-Catholic Church. The Holy Catholic Church is the community of ALL believers, from ALL churches and denominations. So I consider myself Catholic, although not Roman-Catholic.
Rather “Lutheran-Catholic”
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I understand that. But from what you are saying, it appears to me that there can be no such thing as schism, in your worldview. Is that correct? I mean, if you form anjother denomination, then that’s still part of the One Holy Catholic Church (or at least, the true believers in that new denomination are), and so no schism has really taken place. Do you see what I’m saying?I think there were no replies, because it was unclear what you meant.
But no: I do not consider any one denomination the “One True Church”.
I consider the “One, Holy Catholic Church” the one true church.
And let me explain before you spit coffee all over your monitor in surprise
I believe that the One, Holy, Catholic Church is NOT identical to the Roman-Catholic Church. The Holy Catholic Church is the community of ALL believers, from ALL churches and denominations. So I consider myself Catholic, although not Roman-Catholic.
Rather “Lutheran-Catholic”
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Atreyu
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But what does it mean? When you saw it done - what actually happened?
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LutheranDK
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90% correct
The only correction I have is this:
Of course there can be schism in the various churches and denominations, as my example shows. But yes: The true believers in all denominations are all part of the One Holy Catholic Church (therefore - I have more in common with a devoted Roman-Catholic than the unbeliever within our state church). THAT Church is both invisible, and indivisible.
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Atreyu
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So a schism does not involve a split with or within the One Holy Catholic Church?90% correct
The only correction I have is this:
Of course there can be schism in the various churches and denominations, as my example shows. But yes: The true believers in all denominations are all part of the One Holy Catholic Church (therefore - I have more in common with a devoted Roman-Catholic than the unbeliever within our state church). THAT Church is both invisible, and indivisible.
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maize
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the only schism im aware of was the orthodox and catholic one.
i guess the “reformation” could be refereed to as a schism but ive never heard it referred to as that.
i guess the “reformation” could be refereed to as a schism but ive never heard it referred to as that.
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I think that if faced with a choice Protestants will always choose schism over what they believe to be heresy. In contrast, Anglicans appear to choose unity over what even they may concede to be heresy (see comments of Bishop Lee of Virginia) and Catholics deny vigorously that they are ever heretical (meaning that they are never put into a position to make that choice …which, of course, begs the question).
…which, of course, begs the question).
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O.S.Luke
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Schism mean, essentially, split. Do I believe schism is right? That would be a different question.
But I don’t know if it’s the question you want answered.
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LutheranDK
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Correct.
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Atreyu
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OK that’s what I thought. I suppose I find it interesting that we have such different notions of what schism involves.
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