Protestants not going to heaven?

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OneTrueCathApos said:
You said that others will look at me funny for saying that all will go to purgatory.
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If you scroll up the page a little, you’ll see what I said, namely that Catholics will look at you a little funny when you say “No one is going to heaven. It’s either purgatory or hell.” That’s because Catholics believe that everyone in Purgatory will go to heaven.

If you say that “all will go to Purgatory”, that will also cause Catholics to look at you a little funny, because that would mean you’re a universalist. (If all will go to Purgatory, then it follows that all will go to heaven.)
 
Peter_J said:
I’m the last one person to use a corny cultural reference (;)) but I think the good people on this forum should consider the wisdom of the song from “Attack of the 50-Foot Eyesores” (The Simpsons’ “Treehouse of Horror VI”):
  • To stop those monsters, one-two-three,
    Here’s a fresh new way that’s trouble-free.
    It’s got Paul Anka’s guarantee…
  • Guarantee void in Tennessee.
  • Just don’t look. Just don’t look.
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Well we been listing toFairty Tales now we get the jokes. lol
 
BTW, OneTrueCathApos, if you have further questions about the title-change, you might want to PM them to Forum Admin. (As you may have noticed, the note beneath the OP reads: “Last edited by Forum Admin; Mar 1, '09 at 7:18 pm. Reason: title unnecessarily provocative”)
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
Yes I know this Marsha. But you and I will not.
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Speak for yourself.

We do not know if Marsha may turn out to be a pillar of heroic virtue, who dies a martyr in the name of Jesus and His Bride, and works miracles in His name.

We do not know who WILL or WILL NOT go straight to Heaven, any more than we know who WILL or WILL NOT go (or HAS or HAS NOT gone) straight to H-E-double-toothpicks.

You do not get to choose whom God will grant His Graces or work His wonders.
 
Ghoti said:
Speak for yourself.

We do not know if Marsha may turn out to be a pillar of heroic virtue, who dies a martyr in the name of Jesus and His Bride, and works miracles in His name.
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Ghoti:

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I may die a martyr’s death but it wouldn’t be my first choice. As for the rest, that must be some other Marsha.
 
Marsha_Adams said:
Ghoti:

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I may die a martyr’s death but it wouldn’t be my first choice. As for the rest, that must be some other Marsha.
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You never know. Don’t rule out what God has in store for you. Look where Paul started – not exactly a paragon of Christian piety and charity, eh?

My whole point is: we, as Christians, can correct our brothers’ and sisters’ behaviour or condemn their sins, but not them. We have no right to go up to even the worst, most despicable, most dire reprobate and say, “You are not going straight to heaven.” That’s usurping God’s authority, who saves whom He will at His pleasure. We do not know what God might plan for that person tomorrow, next year, or at the point of death, in His infinite wisdom.
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
No one is going to heaven. It’s either purgatory or hell. No one is worthy of the merits of heaven.
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You are right about one thing: Nobody is worthy to go to heaven. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Jesus Christ however died for our sins. Through His sacrifice we can be made right with God. His sacrifice is sufficient to cleanse us from all sin and allow us to enter heaven after we pass away. For others however God’s law is still applicable so there is either the right judgment and the path to hell or the undeserved grace through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Even though none is worthy of himself all who are saved, all saints, will enter heaven while all others will not.
 
Janet1983 said:
You are right about one thing: Nobody is worthy to go to heaven. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Jesus Christ however died for our sins. Through His sacrifice we can be made right with God. His sacrifice is sufficient to cleanse us from all sin and allow us to enter heaven after we pass away. For others however God’s law is still applicable so there is either the right judgment and the path to hell or the undeserved grace through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Even though none is worthy of himself all who are saved, all saints, will enter heaven while all others will not.
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Janet:

You are absolutely correct.

Nobody is worthy to go to heaven - even Mary who was perfect, was only sinless through the grace of God.

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Jesus died for our sins and through His sacrifice and grace we are cleansed of sin and allowed into heaven.

There is, however, a gap that should be addressed, and this may be as good a thread as any to do it.

We are Baptized and receive Communion, we participate in the Sacrifice of the Mass. We sin and receive absolution in the Sacrament of Penance/Reconciliation. Then we sin and confess and sin and confess and sin and confess - not because we are unrepentant, not because we want to, not because we don’t have a firm purpose of amendment, but because we need to grow in grace and deepen our walk with Christ.

That is the difference between a person who goes to purgatory and a person who walks in the odor of sanctity and dies a saint.

How does one grow in grace and into sainthood? How does one overcome the daily and habitual sins that are so common as to hardly be recognized as sin?
 
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