Protestants: What does your denomination teach about the Virgin Mary today versus when it was created?

[Harpazo]

I’m certainly not the first person to ever say that John and Charles Wesley had no intentions on starting a new denomination. Historians do, and the writings of the Wesleys are pretty clear on the matter. If you want to assign the “starters” of Methodism (in America), point to Francis Asbury and Thomas Coke. And if you know the history of the Methodist Church in Britain, it more than makes the case. Both Charles and John Wesley died Anglican priests in good standing. That is historical fact. More to the point, Wesley was revered in the Anglican Church before his death. If you go to Westminster Abbey, there is a memorial plaque inscribed with his name.

Again, I am not alone in this claim… so does all of the history of Methodism. I’m certainly not alone in this “claim.” (Can historical facts based on primary-source writings be called a “claim” ?!?).

I already answered that in post #16. It may not be the answer you want to hear, but it sufficiently (and accurately) answers your question.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Andrew. That doesn’t make it doctrine or canon law. Even if you’re the Pope.

You really need to lighten up, Andrew. Just a tad.

I need to lighten up?! I ask a simple question that you have yet to answer. If Wesley died an Anglican in good standing then he would have maintained all the teachings, including those on the Holy Virgin.

So the question remains.

Al-Masih qam!
Andrew

 

[O.S.Luke]

The Methodist teachings on the subject you ask, from Methodist Articles of Religion [1808]:

Article II—Of the Word, or Son of God, Who Was Made Very Man

The Son, who is the Word of the Father, the very and eternal God, of one substance with the Father, took man’s nature in the womb of the blessed Virgin; so that two whole and perfect natures, that is to say, the Godhead and Manhood, were joined together in one person, never to be divided; whereof is one Christ, very God and very Man, who truly suffered, was crucified, dead, and buried, to reconcile his Father to us, and to be a sacrifice, not only for original guilt, but also for actual sins of men.

The Anglican teaching on the subject you ask, from the Anglican Articles of Religion [1563]:

Article II - Of the Word, or Son of God, Which Was Made Very Man.

The Son, which is the Word of the Father, begotten from everlasting of the Father, the very and eternal God, and of one substance with the Father, took man’s nature in the womb of the blessed Virgin, of her substance: so that two whole and perfect natures, that is to say, the Godhead and manhood, were joined together in one person, never to be divided, whereof is one Christ, very God and very man, who truly suffered, was crucified, dead, and buried, to reconcile His Father to us, and to be a sacrifice, not only for original guilt, but also for all actual sins of men.

That’s all I’ve got left, Andrew. I don’t know what you want. Maybe you can tell me.