Protesting Malice Against Our Church

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I’ve long been puzzled by Jesus’ words against opposition to evil, especially in view of his often harsh language, the overturning of money-changers tables, and his admonition that his arrest marked the time for disciples to obtain moneybags and even swords.
Usually I just keep quiet in the face of malice, but I must protest the malice of Anthony Padovano, a pastor affiliated with United Church of Christ, a married former priest, which is reflected in the website below.
I wandered into the site when I was reviewing a strange quotation of Padovano cited in Jesuit Fr Mark Link’s Book of Prayer which seemed very good until pg 60.
Calling himself a Catholic Theologian, which is at best misleading, these twelve pages (4 sections) entitled American Catholic Church, Assessing Past, Discerning Future are riddled with outrageous misrepresentation, manipulation, and deceit, such as:
-Catholics were not deemed dangerous by the founders of the US (He’s suggesting early harmony of protestants and Catholics–the truth is burning of Catholic facilities in much of New England, tar and feathering and execution of priests.)
-protestants worked to create a colony where Catholics were welcome
-protestants gave land for Catholics to build churches
-Rome turned harshly against American Catholics
-Catholics must press for marginalization of protestant churches
-papal mishandling is breathtaking in scope
It goes on and on. I’m wondering if our now discontinued Catholic Index was such a bad idea. I’m hoping others will join me here in protesting this and other malice which seems to be so rapidly spreading. Would you consider joining a group here, not to protest and unintentionally publicize works of malice or error or heresy, but to protest the authors?
www.apadovano.com/church_intro.html
 
Does no one care what Padovano says? He’s written 26 books. He is professor of theology at a NJ state college. I admit it’s hard to know what to do. I wish the Bishops would assign someone to refute such lies and distortions. I admit I sometimes put atheist’s books behind others in the bookstore–it deeply bothers me that they can be put in the Religion section. Better to give them their own section.
What was so bad about the Index? Would it be so bad for us to do one at Cathcom?
Here’s a bit more of Padovano
"the Episcopal Conference is frightened to discuss (the following issues) because of Vatican intimidation:
-presenting the minority position of Vatican II as though it were the majority (??xx)
-marital annulments
-appointment of bishops
-the relationship of the Conference and Rome
-collegiality
-the role of women and ordination
-shortage of priests
-morale of priests
-ordination of married men
-sexual ethics
-contraception
-homosexuality
-abortion
-pedophilia

Church changes have been made monarchally, not collegially.
Changes did not alter the underlying abusive (Catholic) system
The Papacy has destroyed of the International Synod of Bishops…
It has taken direct aim at freedom of speech…
The Papacy has tyrannized (lay people) in a shameful and deeply hurtful manner

Shouldn’t this man be excommunicated? Can he be stopped from advertising himself as a Catholic?
 
When you read saint Paul you see these things were prophesied from the very earliest years of the Church. There was a priest giving our parishes lenten mission who was, perhaps, even worse than this, and people were shouting amen after half of what he said.

His catchphrase was, “if you don’t mythologize you pathologize”. He taught contempt for the church, for the apostles, for the deposit of faith, for (at least some of) the sacraments*, for the scriptures (dismissing them as not being “a book on history or sexual ethics” and being equivalent to Aesop’s fables). He condemned faith as being dangerous, and said (contra 1 Corinthians chapter 5) “we must never use the Eucharist as a political tool, or to exclude people”**. It was like Satan had donned a roman collar, yet a church full of people who should have known better applauded. As far as I am aware I am the only one who objected.

[bibledrb]2 Timothy 4:1-5[/bibledrb]
  • Most notably he said that the sacrament of confession was invented by priests, because they wanted more power. (He said this, Ironically, a day after making a point of hearing confessions after his talk, so what does that say about him? I guess folks can expect blackmail demands in the next four to six weeks.)
    **He affirmed, when I asked him, that he was saying it would be wrong for the church to exclude a politician from the eucharist for publicly promoting abortion as sacred; he refused to take anymore of my questions afterwards.
 
Anti-Catholicism isn’t uncommon regardless of the source. By all accounts, we’re talking about a man that once professed unwavering faith in all the Church teaches, decided to reject his vows and marry, expected the Church to change to accommodate his new lifestyle choices, and when it didn’t, he changed his views 180 degrees about Church teaching. Now he spends his time trying to convince others that the Church is wrong and he is right.

Often times when this happens, the effort is to create allies so that one can feel justified in their actions.

Pray for him and all others that refuse to accept penance for their offenses. Neither you nor I can change his mind, but we can ask the Holy Spirit to help him discover contrition and seek forgiveness.
 
sousley said:
Anti-Catholicism isn’t uncommon regardless of the source. By all accounts, we’re talking about a man that once professed unwavering faith in all the Church teaches, decided to reject his vows and marry, expected the Church to change to accommodate his new lifestyle choices, and when it didn’t, he changed his views 180 degrees about Church teaching. Now he spends his time trying to convince others that the Church is wrong and he is right.

Often times when this happens, the effort is to create allies so that one can feel justified in their actions.

Pray for him and all others that refuse to accept penance for their offenses. Neither you nor I can change his mind, but we can ask the Holy Spirit to help him discover contrition and seek forgiveness.
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You can try but don’t expect too much. As you can see, you are not speaking in tune with the Spirit. It is steering clear of everything in your post not in accordance with EL’s will. Most of it is the negative stuff. Take a close look at this “feedback” and act accordingly.
 
eschator83 said:
I’ve long been puzzled by Jesus’ words against opposition to evil, especially in view of his often harsh language, the overturning of money-changers tables, and his admonition that his arrest marked the time for disciples to obtain moneybags and even swords.
Usually I just keep quiet in the face of malice, but I must protest the malice of Anthony Padovano, a pastor affiliated with United Church of Christ, a married former priest, which is reflected in the website below.
I wandered into the site when I was reviewing a strange quotation of Padovano cited in Jesuit Fr Mark Link’s Book of Prayer which seemed very good until pg 60.
Calling himself a Catholic Theologian, which is at best misleading, these twelve pages (4 sections) entitled American Catholic Church, Assessing Past, Discerning Future are riddled with outrageous misrepresentation, manipulation, and deceit, such as:
-Catholics were not deemed dangerous by the founders of the US (He’s suggesting early harmony of protestants and Catholics–the truth is burning of Catholic facilities in much of New England, tar and feathering and execution of priests.)
-protestants worked to create a colony where Catholics were welcome
-protestants gave land for Catholics to build churches
-Rome turned harshly against American Catholics
-Catholics must press for marginalization of protestant churches
-papal mishandling is breathtaking in scope
It goes on and on. I’m wondering if our now discontinued Catholic Index was such a bad idea. I’m hoping others will join me here in protesting this and other malice which seems to be so rapidly spreading. Would you consider joining a group here, not to protest and unintentionally publicize works of malice or error or heresy, but to protest the authors?
www.apadovano.com/church_intro.html
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Let’s ask the Holy Spirit! Where the dots cover your words, it agrees or you are being honest.
Overall your post is in rhythm with the Spirit but there are a few duff notes which need ironing out, At least you are mainly in the correct key. Many aren’t.
 
inthespirit said:
You can try but don’t expect too much. As you can see, you are not speaking in tune with the Spirit. It is steering clear of everything in your post not in accordance with EL’s will. Most of it is the negative stuff. Take a close look at this “feedback” and act accordingly.
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I have no idea what the purpose of the artwork is, it looks like either a spiro-graph or Ouija board gone wrong but I said “pray for him” and you respond with “you can try but don’t expect too much.” ?? Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut, but I’ll stick with prayer.
 
I’m very grateful to both of you for your comments. Did you notice the announcement (I think first appearing today) on our CA opening screen for a conference opening 9/4/14 about confronting assaults on the charge? I don’t know how CA responded so quickly to this post–I wish we wouldn’t have to wait until 9/4.
Mr Keating, Akin, Staples, Horn, and Molina will be speaking. I pray lots of us will go–and all of us will further consider how we can respond to malicious people.
 
Whether or not you have inclination to oppose malice, or even to offer suggestions or support, you could help by confirming that you too are disturbed by the Padavano writings on the website at the end of the first post above. Please remember, he is not only pastoring a church, he is teaching kids at a state school.

Or here is another malice example: www.true2ourselves.com In this bulletin board quite similar in format to CA, several atheists and fundamentalists have harassed for several years a very sincere Catholic apologist, perhaps overzealous, and a few much meeker Catholics including myself. Recently they suspended him. See for yourself this terrible malice–their favoite Catholic image is a dog returning to its own vomit. Thank you, Catholic Crusader (the Catholic blogger) for your efforts. Please God, help me to know how and when to respond.
 
As well has those ministers who have actually been ordained in the True Church, and have lost their faith in order they can more fully adopt error, there are many who have left a religion of error and joined the Church(The author of Catholic Radio Replies, I think Father Rumble was his name, was a protestant minister: radioreplies.info).

Adopting error places one on the devil’s agenda page, with the first order of business for his new servant the renouncing his Church through his own words, that Holy Institution which is the very enemy of the devil. It’s a sad scene played out over and over again in the past. Luther and a long list of others took his place.

It is best to stay away from these types, as their agenda is now the world, not spiritually related. Catholics need to be nourished by spiritually healthy sources and need to be watchful.
 
I’m afraid I’m missing your point–could this be in wrong forum thread?
 
eschator83 said:
I’m afraid I’m missing your point–could this be in wrong forum thread?
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He closed the door behind him. What can he say or write that could effect anyone who is not detracted from returning to the True Church. *Nihil Obstat *.

But yes, I agree it is damaging for those that allow it to do so. There are many advantages for the scattered flock to return to the Church, one of which is that it orients him to seek information from the Authorized sources.
 
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