Proverbs 12:12 interpretation

[therese14]

Hi, English is not my first language, please help explain this in simple english:

Proverbs 12:12
He that is delighted in passing his time over wine, leaveth a reproach in his strong holds.

What is reproach? I find in dictionary:censure
Strong holds?

Is this positive or negative? To persuade or dissuade us from drinking wine? Thanks so much

 

[JamalChristophr]

The Douay-Rheims is a hard translation for even a native English speaker to understand sometimes.

I think this is the verse in the RSV which is very different, seemingly…

***He who tills his land will have plenty of bread, but he who follows worthless pursuits has no sense.

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In other words, be diligent in life. Don’t indulge too much in wine drinking and similar things.

 

[Ignatius]

Hi, English is not my first language, please help explain this in simple english:

Proverbs 12:12
He that is delighted in passing his time over wine, leaveth a reproach in his strong holds.

What is reproach? I find in dictionary:censure
Strong holds?

Is this positive or negative? To persuade or dissuade us from drinking wine? Thanks so much

Hi Teresa, I looked up Prov 12:12 in several translations as follows:

RSV - The strong tower of the wicked comes to ruin,
but the root of the righteous stands firm.

DRB - The desire of the wicked is the fortification of evil men: but the root of the just shall prosper

KJV - The wicked desireth the net of evil men: but the root of the righteous yieldeth fruit.

It looks like it is DRB 12:11 He that tilleth his land shall be satisfied with bread: but he that pursueth idleness is very foolish. He that is delighted in passing his time over wine, leaveth a reproach in his strong holds.

So, to answer your questions:

Rebuke - a cause or occasion of blame, discredit, or disgrace
Stronghold - A fortress or safe place

So, more or less it means, if you are drunk all the time, you will bring disgrace on yourself and your home.

 

[Huiou_Theou]

Hi, English is not my first language, please help explain this in simple english:

Proverbs 12:12
He that is delighted in passing his time over wine, leaveth a reproach in his strong holds.

What is reproach? I find in dictionary:censure
Strong holds?

Is this positive or negative? To persuade or dissuade us from drinking wine? Thanks so much

Reproach as a noun, means a disgrace; it’s always a negative word.
A stronghold, is merely a fort or place of defense.

So: the sentence has as a simplified meaning:
A person who drinks wine, leaves their defenses in disgrace.

I am not sure where the sentence you speak of comes from, as it is not in several bibles – but only the KJV; and so I am not sure of what the sentence means in context.

 

[Fr_of_Jazz]

Hi, English is not my first language, please help explain this in simple english:

Proverbs 12:12
He that is delighted in passing his time over wine, leaveth a reproach in his strong holds.

What is reproach? I find in dictionary:censure
Strong holds?

Is this positive or negative? To persuade or dissuade us from drinking wine? Thanks so much

Where did you get your translation of Prv 12:12?
A multitude of other translations can be found here. None are like yours.

 

[thistle]

Hi, English is not my first language, please help explain this in simple english:

Proverbs 12:12
He that is delighted in passing his time over wine, leaveth a reproach in his strong holds.

What is reproach? I find in dictionary:censure
Strong holds?

Is this positive or negative? To persuade or dissuade us from drinking wine? Thanks so much

Actually it is Proverbs 12:11 and you missed out part of it.

11 He that tilleth his land shall be satisfied with bread: but he that pursueth idleness is very foolish.
He that is delighted in passing his time over wine, leaveth a reproach in his strong holds.

Here is the Haydock Commentary on that verse.

Ver. 11. Idleness. Hebrew, “the idle.” Their company is seducing. — He that, &c. This occurs in the Septuagint, but not in the Hebrew or the new edition of St. Jerome. (Calmet) — Wine. Or “in taverns.” — Holds. Soldiers have thus been often surprised. (Menochius) — “Drunkenness is an incitement to lust and madness, the poison of wisdom.” (St. Ambrose)

 

[therese14]

Sorry, it is proverbs 12:11

Thanks for the answers!