PSA: Not all Humans are equal

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So I was looking back at some Michael Jackson forums here on CAF earlier, and noticed that many of the people there were complaining about the emphasis on his death over the thousands of other peoples’ lives who had also been lost that day, not to mention various political issues that got “eclipsed” by the late star. This brings me to my point: Not all men are equal. Contrary to popular belief, that DoI/Martinian philosophy of “All men are created equal” is false. Take the Virgin Mary for example. The Virgin Mary’s life is objectively worth more than all of our lives combined, so why shouldn’t the same rule apply for the rest of creation?

'Fact is that stars like MJ, Donald Trump, Bill Gates, and the other powerhouses have established themselves as superior human beings than those below them, thus, it makes sense for celebrity news and antics to override the happenings of those below them. In this case, MJ has been long dead and is currently irrelevant, however this is important to remember in the future for when similar things happen. Not everyone deserves to make news, even if they suffered or triumphed the same way as their superiors. Michael Jackson, Beyonce, and any other celebs are not just “one of many” like the human vacuum is. They are distinct individuals and will be treated as such, those below them are mere motions and curiosities. Sorry (-_•)
 
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This brings me to my point: Not all men are equal. Contrary to popular belief, that DoI/Martinian philosophy of “All men are created equal” is false. Take the Virgin Mary for example. The Virgin Mary’s life is objectively worth more than all of our lives combined, so why shouldn’t the same rule apply for the rest of creation?
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I see your premise. Now, what is your measure of a person’s worth?

Is it personal holiness? There have been many very devout persons, who have lived and died in obscurity. Today, especially, when religious devotion is considered to be a negative by many, a person who is objectively holy might be considered a nuisance by most.

So, your point that Mary is worth more than other human lives, and that is why her life is celebrated more than others, might not translate to other very holy individuals today.
'Fact is that stars like MJ, Donald Trump, Bill Gates, and the other powerhouses have established themselves as superior human beings than those below them, thus, it makes sense for celebrity news and antics to override the happenings of those below them.
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Why do you say they are superior humans? Again, what is your measure of worth? Is it fame and fortune? Is it popularity? Is it specific contributions these have made in their lives to humanity?
 
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To be fair a lot of people probably follow Trump on the news because he is entertaining rather than out of admiration.
 
I can’t remember who said it, but I read a quote once about democracy replacing nobility with celebrities. I wish I could find it.

People know that people aren’t equal, it’s inherent.
 
TheNeutral said:
Fact is that stars like MJ, Donald Trump, Bill Gates, and the other powerhouses have established themselves as superior human beings than those below them
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I don’t think it’s to do with objective superiority so much as our sense of connection.

Most people have heard of those people and feel that they know them, whereas not everyone feels the same about a non famous person.
 
Agreed. I’m curious as to the OP’s standard of worth though.
 
Which meaning of the word equality are you using?
Equality of legal right?
Equality of talent?
Equality of wealth?
Equality of God’s love for us?
Equality of achievement in our lives to date?

People are equal and not equal depending on which meaning you use.
 
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People in the media are always going to draw more attention than the average joe for the simple fact more people know about them.
 
I think your premise is faulty. Those people have not established themselves as anything.

We have established them as something.

Without us, they are just another random Joe on the street.

Any illusions or delusions of grandeur they may have are based on the illusory power we have given to them. They are not superior to anyone, especially to God. At the end of the day, God’s opinion is the only one that matters.
 
Except God often does elevate people above others. (Not saying celebrities are examples of that).

Would you claim to be an equal of St. Peter? Of course not, he was clearly placed above others into a position of authority. We are not his peers.
 
When asked by a journalist for a word to best describe him, Pope Francis answered, “a sinner.”

That is my answer too.

Perhaps you should rethink your comment.
Before God, we are all mere sinners.
 
Yeahhh no.

Pope Francis is a humble man.

He’s still our superior in many aspects. I would never presume to assume myself his equal.
 
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He’s still our superior in many aspects. I would never presume to assume myself his equal.
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If he were alive, do you think that St. Peter would view you as his minion or as his brother in Christ.
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How someone is treated and viewed differes from the spiritual reality.

St. Mother Theresa was a gentle and loving soul who never made someone feel inferior. However, she was clearly more pious and devoted than a good number of us are.
 
Of course he’d view as a brother in Christ. But viewing one as a brother does not mean equal.

There are older brothers and younger brothers

Enlisted and officers are both brothers in arms, but one is the others superior.
 
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Enlisted and officers are both brothers in arms, but one is the others superior.
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That’s true - but it doesn’t make me a better human being or a better Air Force member because I am commissioned. It just makes me their potential boss. I’m as subject to the UCMJ as they are - actually, even more so, because the authority given by the President (as a commissioned officer is appointed by the President) places more on us in some ways. I’m trusted as the one to make the correct decision for the well being of all of us at my level, just as the commander is entrusted to make the correct decision for me and for everyone else. But I expect the Chief (the highest USAF enlisted rank) or the other noncommissioned ranks to bring to me the correct information to make that decision. For that matter I expect my newest Airman to do the same. I am only as good as my lowest ranking airman.

Take my uniform off - or my wing commander’s uniform off - and I’m an equal citizen to the enlisted. Civil law applies to me the same as it does them.

I think that’s what folks are meaning - that in the end, we are all judged the same.
 
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Our church operates in a hierarchy, as does heaven. Equality before the law is one thing, but true equality as individuals is a myth in my opinion.
 
I disagree (though I know that my analogy probably isn’t the best, it was the best I could work with).

In the end, we are all judged the same in the same way. It’s still a form of “law” to me.
 
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Not all men are equal. Contrary to popular belief, that DoI/Martinian philosophy of “All men are created equal” is false.
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As with everything…value is relative. Personally, my dog’s death was of far greater consequence than Michael Jackson’s.
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I agree. Value is relative. And you gave a good example. But can we not say that one person has nore worth?

Would anyone disagree that Ghandi, for example, was more worthy than Saddam Hussein?
 
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