psychics

[thistle]

I hope you are not speaking for the Church. It’s the essence of wisdom to know that a man can not judge the wisdom of his own judgement. I didn’t know we had inffallible people on the forum. ** I asked thisle "What did he mean by pyshic,** He never answered, To clarify my meaning I even suggested I would use another word spiritual, He never answered. What he did is steer the posts to clarify his preconceive position, He didn’t dialogue, to reach an understanding, I had to communicate to the O.P. in her language, I knew what she meant, but thistle jumps in and starts an arguement It’s like putting thoughts and words into my mouth. He keeps repeating himself ( I said before and I’ll say it again) and (end of story , I have spoken) This kind of attitude dosen’t serve God in my book,. As for the other post, I did,t disagree with his post. I don’t disagree with the Church, I always submitted to the Church, even when I thought I was right. I always will. I humbly submit to the Church and to my God. But I don’t submit to someone just because he thinks he is right.

Really? I checked your posts and you did not ask me “what did he mean by psychic”. You asked me what I considered to be a fake psychic which I answered. Do you want me to tell you again? Anyone who genuinely thinks they are psychic (but obviously are not because they don’t exist) are fakes. Anyone who deliberately deceives people to make them think they are real psychics are frauds.

Padre Pio has supernatural abilities. He was not a psychic. He did not claim to be a psychic. The Church has never claimed he was a psychic.
If you have a Church document that states Padre Pio was a psychic then please share it with us.

 

[ynotzap]

For the sake of clarification The word psychic derives its meaning from the Greek word psychikos, meaning of the soul, spiritual. Padre Pio was all that. The narrow definition psychic usually applies to those commonly known to claim supernatural powers such as fortune telling and the things I mentioned above I believe I am justified in using the word psychic, I thought I gave an explanation in some detail as to the difference so one could understand as to how I applied the meaning psychic. If this causes confusion I will gladly change to spiritual.

This is were I wanted you to dialogue but you failed t o follow through with an appropiate suggestion in order to avoid confusion And you really didn’t show me why I wasn’t justified using the original meaning of psychic I went to the basic meaning of psychic which has to do the mind and soul. Your failure to distinguish between a fake, and a person with no intentions to deceive. you failed to maintain the innocence of a person with no intentions to deceive and called him a fake, you fail to say that Satan was the real fake, and not his host. I insisted that discernment was needed whether it was from a good spirit, or a bad spirit. Not the persons involved but the spirits, you made no distinction. You.don’t really dialogue you just over-rule every body and say "End of story, and it isn’t. If I miss quoted you I am sorry, but you totally misunderstood me What would you have told the oP Tell her that she is violating the Church because she us the word psychic or would you try with Christian charity and unerstanding and patience and use less dogmatic approach. I sincerely would hope so. You certainly didn’t do it with me, instead I am here trying to clarify my position in dialogue. You should know this your an elder. I found this a real waste of time over such a simple matter. You missed the point.

 

[trevblum650]

I hope you are not speaking for the Church. It’s the essence of wisdom to know that a man can not judge the wisdom of his own judgement. I didn’t know we had inffallible people on the forum. I asked thisle "What did he mean by pyshic, He never answered, To clarify my meaning I even suggested I would use another word spiritual, He never answered. What he did is steer the posts to clarify his preconceive position, He didn’t dialogue, to reach an understanding, I had to communicate to the O.P. in her language, I knew what she meant, but thistle jumps in and starts an arguement It’s like putting thoughts and words into my mouth. He keeps repeating himself ( I said before and I’ll say it again) and (end of story , I have spoken) This kind of attitude dosen’t serve God in my book,. As for the other post, I did,t disagree with his post. I don’t disagree with the Church, I always submitted to the Church, even when I thought I was right. I always will. I humbly submit to the Church and to my God. But I don’t submit to someone just because he thinks he is right.

Okay I am a very passive guy but I feel I should express my irritation that you are twisting other members’ words in am attempt to vindicate yourself before a group of your brothers and sisters. I think it is safe to say that we all have love for one another and don’t want any hard feelings.

Now ynotzap, it is very important for you to realize that to obsess over the occult or to defend the occult to high degrees may show either an unhealthy interest that could lead to Demonic Obsession or it could be an actual sign of Demonic Obsession. I would suggest not to focus on the supernatural gifts that God has given to man over the centuries because although, yes, it is interesting, it can lead to unhealthy obsession as well as the belief that God is some sort of magician. Which He is not. God is not man’s source of special powers and to even use the Sacramentals superstitiously is sacrilegious so I wonder what this conversation would be classified as. Please let this be the end of this conversation as I know for a fact that young, impressionable minds read this site.

And ynotzap as you are merely dealing with the religiously devout in this thread and not the canonically trained I would suggest you take this question (if it is still pressi.g on your mind) to the “Ask An Apologist” section who would be able to explain more.

 

[thistle]

This is were I wanted you to dialogue but you failed t o follow through with an appropiate suggestion in order to avoid confusion And you really didn’t show me why I wasn’t justified using the original meaning of psychic I went to the basic meaning of psychic which has to do the mind and soul. Your failure to distinguish between a fake, and a person with no intentions to deceive. you failed to maintain the innocence of a person with no intentions to deceive and called him a fake, you fail to say that Satan was the real fake, and not his host. I insisted that discernment was needed whether it was from a good spirit, or a bad spirit. Not the persons involved but the spirits, you made no distinction. You.don’t really dialogue you just over-rule every body and say "End of story, and it isn’t. If I miss quoted you I am sorry, but you totally misunderstood me What would you have told the oP Tell her that she is violating the Church because she us the word psychic or would you try with Christian charity and unerstanding and patience and use less dogmatic approach. I sincerely would hope so. You certainly didn’t do it with me, instead I am here trying to clarify my position in dialogue. You should know this your an elder. I found this a real waste of time over such a simple matter. You missed the point.

Your post is incoherent.

I have not said anyone violated anything. Again you are making that up!
I said there is no such thing as a genuine psychic. However, there are some people who THINK they are psychics but they are wrong and so are fake.
There are also some people who put themselves forward as genuine psychics deceiving people. They are frauds. I don’t know why you can’t see the difference.

I am also waiting for you to show me a Church document that states Padre Pio was a psychic. So far you have ignored that. Is that because it does not exist.
I repeat that Padre Pio had supernatural powers but was not a psychic, never claimed to be a psychic and the Church never claimed that either.

 

[ynotzap]

If I said anything uncharitable,I deeply apologize, I can know all things but if I do not have love I am a sounding brass and and noisy symbols. I know that you are deeply committed to your faith as I am, and differences will always exist in the Church, Paul arguing with Peter we all want the same thing, to serve the Lord and King and then serve our brothers in Christian love regardless of our imperfections. So we keep on trying to do our best and with God’s grace every thing will turn out great. I have my experiences known to three Bishops and I have many witnesses to what I say. I have run into a lot of “self righteousness”, I had it in myself, and I received a spiritual healing. I expelled the devils influence on a prayer group that consisted of at leasst three priests, maybe at least six or seven nuns. apriest in a televised catholic healing program, somewhere around sixty to seventy people. The priest was affected but didn’t know it and he was a college theologian. I do know what I’m talking about. If I sounded incoherent, its because I fell into a trap of trying to do, what God can only do. I don’t expect any one to understand, but thats O.K I know the names of a lot of these people, and I can verify all I say. The priest was innocent, but ignorant of what the devil was doing, and if you preach Jesus Christ you are his mortal enemy. Jesus and Mary are my protectors. Incidently at the answer of my first post, I didn’t go to the Church, I went to God first, when I quoted Him and said “I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any strange God’s before me” I didn’t violate the Church"s teaching Icould also say “Get thee behind me Satan” knowing what some people will think when they hear it. I have difficulties because I had a stroke about ten years a go, so it is hard to keep my thoughts strait, I’m also 82 years old, but I’ll keep on doing what I have done all my life until I can do no more. thanks for all your advice, it’s all given in love.

 

[ynotzap]

By the way the church document is Vatican II, on the lay apostolate, advising the lay apostle of his kingly. priestly, and prophetic powers given to him in his Baptism. to use whatever charisms he is given by the HolySpirit The Holy Spirit has given me all I need to do His work and discernment is one of them. He also gave me the power to perform simple exorcisms, He also gave me prophesy. All of these when I needed them. I can relate in detail my true story to the Praise of God. The same document speaks of dialogue and how to do it with love, and open spirit, and freedom of opinion. My Bishop is well aware of my activity and ask me to pray for him in his ministry, a humble man. The Church warns and forbids diabolical exorcism, which is reserved for the minor orders of priests, warning people that they can get hurt. Any Christian has the competency to perform a simple exorcism by the use o f Holy Water and blessed religious articles, but most of all by using the Holy Name of Jesus Christ. Jesus says we can and I have .

 

[trevblum650]

Ynotzap I will be praying for your multifacetted health and continued conversion.