Purification of Vessels Question

[corvidae]

I was at Mass today and was eager to see if the Pope’s words on the purification of communion vessels would have any effect. It seems they did, for I did not see any of the (extra)ordinary ministers of the Holy Eucharist purifying them. However, neither did the priest. They sat there until after Mass when one of the altar boys collected them and took them to the Sacristy.

I do not know what happened, perhaps the people were informed but the priest was not. I don’t know, but I am considering writing to the Bishop.

Any thoughts,

A lone Raven

 

[decn2b]

I was supposed to be an EMHC today at Mass I had to skip and go the the Emergency ROOM only to be diagnosed with CHICKENPOX!!! . But we have an incredibly liberal priest filling in this weekend from St. Ambrose University (100 miles away) My plans were to go ahead and purify. I haven’t been given an order what to do yet so I am staying the course. If I would not have purify them I beleive a greater scrilige would have happened…meaning the precious blood would have just hung around he chalice until next week. Anyway Pray for me y’all I am just starting to feel crappy and itchy.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

I was at Mass today and was eager to see if the Pope’s words on the purification of communion vessels would have any effect. It seems they did, for I did not see any of the (extra)ordinary ministers of the Holy Eucharist purifying them. However, neither did the priest. They sat there until after Mass when one of the altar boys collected them and took them to the Sacristy.

I do not know what happened, perhaps the people were informed but the priest was not. I don’t know, but I am considering writing to the Bishop.

Any thoughts,

A lone Raven

The GIRM actually allows them to be placed on the side table empty and covered. To be purified after Mass.

 

[decn2b]

The GIRM actually allows them to be placed on the side table empty and covered. To be purified after Mass.

If that is the case…then I guess there is no real issue here…Unless the priest doesn’t want to do it?

 

[Stu]

Other than what Brother Rich offered, I think most would benefit by understanding that the Church is rather like the military with a clear “chain of command”. Orders from the Vatican must go through the Bishops before getting down to the parish level. Now I am not so naive that I don’t realize there are Bishops who may not follow such directives like they should, but I believe we need to give this new development a little time to trickle down properly. If after some sufficient lenght of time passes with no action, start writing respectful letters following the chain of command from the bottom on up to the top.

Vivat Iesus.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Other than what Brother Rich offered, I think most would benefit by understanding that the Church is rather like the military with a clear “chain of command”. Orders from the Vatican must go through the Bishops before getting down to the parish level. Now I am not so naive that I don’t realize there are Bishops who may not follow such directives like they should, but I believe we need to give this new development a little time to trickle down properly. If after some sufficient lenght of time passes with no action, start writing respectful letters following the chain of command from the bottom on up to the top.

Vivat Iesus.

also remember that the remaining Hosts are combined and the remaining Blood of Christ is to be consumed at the altar. By the Priest or Deacon and if necessary with the help of an EMHC. They must be empty before being placed on the side table.

 

[John_Lilburne]

The GIRM actually allows them to be placed on the side table empty and covered. To be purified after Mass.

They can be left on the altar or credence table.

From the 2002 General Introduction to the Roman Missal (GIRM) which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“163. … Nevertheless, it is also permitted, especially if there are several vessels to be purified, to leave them suitably covered on a corporal, either at the altar or at the credence table, and to purify them immediately after Mass following the dismissal of the people.”

But if possible the purifications should be done at the credence table.
"279. The sacred vessels are purified by the priest, the deacon, or an instituted acolyte after Communion or after Mass, insofar as possible at the credence table. The purification of the chalice is done with water alone or with wine and water, which is then drunk by whoever does the purification. The paten is usually wiped clean with the purificator.
“Care must be taken that whatever may remain of the Blood of Christ after the distribution of Communion is consumed immediately and completely at the altar.”

I think a good reason for not doing them at the credence table would be if another ceremony were to start immediately. Otherwise I think it would be a fair question to ask and fair issue to report.

 

[corvidae]

I guess I did not realize that it was allowed to be done after mass. I was simply displaying my ignorance. I know that the priest drank his chalice, and simply left the purifactor in it when it was taken away, as for the Extraordinary ministers, I have no idea if they emptied theirs.

A lone Raven

 

[G_S]

Although the chain of command concept is correct, the special permission to have EMHC purify the vessels is already well-expired and a special promulgation is not necesssary. The indult is simply null by reason of its expiration.

 

[Stu]

G&S,

I think you arguably have a point but one could also retort with the need to follow the last lawful order given by the Bishop. That being said, I would think any priest that wanted to change things in his parish regarding this could do so very easily.

Vivat Iesus.

 

[G_S]

G&S,

I think you arguably have a point but one could also retort with the need to follow the last lawful order given by the Bishop. That being said, I would think any priest that wanted to change things in his parish regarding this could do so very easily.

Vivat Iesus.

I think that most bishops simply allowed purification by EMHC’s and did not actually order it.

 

[Dr.Bombay]

So…let me get this straight. EMHCs are no longer allowed to purify vessels…but they’re still allowed to paw the Sacred Species to their heart’s content?

Hmmmmm…I’m having trouble following this newfangled logic.

 

[Stu]

So…let me get this straight. EMHCs are no longer allowed to purify vessels…but they’re still allowed to paw the Sacred Species to their heart’s content?

Hmmmmm…I’m having trouble following this newfangled logic.

The Pope is boiling frogs one degree at a time.

 

[kaygee]

So…let me get this straight. EMHCs are no longer allowed to purify vessels…but they’re still allowed to paw the Sacred Species to their heart’s content?

today at the All Saints’ Noon Mass there were 3 Ordinary Ministers (2 deacons/1 priest) and a seminarian. Come distribution of Communion, the priest, assisted by 5 emhc’s did the honors. The deacons purified the vessels and the seminarian sat out. . . . PUHLEEZE!

 

[Nekic]

Sometimes even the priest doesn’t know how to purify the vessels properly.

I served at mass for the first time in about 6 years last night, and while putting away the paten, there were countless crumbs inside…
I was loke, omg…
I didn’t know what to do, the first thing that came to my mind was “put it in the cubboard and hope he does a better job tmorrow night.”
If he does it again, I’m taking it to a sink and putting it in a glass of water, and drinking it.
I don’t think we have a sacarium (sp?) to put it in…

 

[corvidae]

I was a little thrown today at the Soemnity of All Saints. The reason was this.

At almost every Mass there are multiple EMHC’s and Communion under both forms in this diocese. However, at the Solemnity of All Saints, which I consider a special occasion, there was communion in only one species and only two EMHC’s.

I only recieve under both species on special occasions such as special feast days and solemnities, as this is how I was brought up, but It just kinda blew my mind that on normal Masses they have more EMHC’s and both species, while on a Solemnity, they have less EMHC’s and only one species.

A lone Raven

 

[OSPX]

I was a little thrown today at the Soemnity of All Saints. The reason was this.

At almost every Mass there are multiple EMHC’s and Communion under both forms in this diocese. However, at the Solemnity of All Saints, which I consider a special occasion, there was communion in only one species and only two EMHC’s.

I only recieve under both species on special occasions such as special feast days and solemnities, as this is how I was brought up, but It just kinda blew my mind that on normal Masses they have more EMHC’s and both species, while on a Solemnity, they have less EMHC’s and only one species.

A lone Raven

Thats wierd because I would think recieving under one species and having less emhc’s would be a more respectful way to distribute communion.

 

[corvidae]

I agree, but I also believe that there is a time and a place for reception under both species, and it seems that these parishes have it backward.

A lone Raven

 

[CRW]

I was at Mass today and was eager to see if the Pope’s words on the purification of communion vessels would have any effect. It seems they did, for I did not see any of the (extra)ordinary ministers of the Holy Eucharist purifying them. However, neither did the priest. They sat there until after Mass when one of the altar boys collected them and took them to the Sacristy.

I do not know what happened, perhaps the people were informed but the priest was not. I don’t know, but I am considering writing to the Bishop.

Any thoughts,

A lone Raven

Or bishop sent emails to all his parishies this week and our priest immediately enforced the new policy. .