Qs about Church teaching re confession from non-Catholic

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UKFaithGirl said:
No, I already looked up before, suicide because of despair and you think there is no other option can be forgiven. I saw it on this site I think.

29 That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all: and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father.

“Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.” The Catholic Church used to practice that persons committing suicide could not have a Catholic funeral mass and burial. However, the Church has since changed this practice".

“We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.”
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Yes these things can reduce culpability…

BUT - -

Suicide remains a grave sin - your ability to talk about it in this way shows that you are coherent and aware of the possible consequences…

Remember how you are always saying that one cannot KNOW what they will do or how they will think in the future???

So how do you KNOW that you truly suffer from despair? How do you KNOW you meet the criteria outlined above…and if you don’t…where would you wind up?

You see - you are counting on the Catholic view to be right…Yet you complain that we cannot know whether the Catholic view or the Protestant view is the correct one…
So - How do you KNOW…

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
Yes these things can reduce culpability…

BUT - -

Suicide remains a grave sin - your ability to talk about it in this way shows that you are coherent and aware of the possible consequences…

Remember how you are always saying that one cannot KNOW what they will do or how they will think in the future???

So how do you KNOW that you truly suffer from despair? How do you KNOW you meet the criteria outlined above…and if you don’t…where would you wind up?

You see - you are counting on the Catholic view to be right…Yet you complain that we cannot know whether the Catholic view or the Protestant view is the correct one…
So - How do you KNOW…

Peace
James
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I don’t. I am just going on the evidence you believe in. I guess none of us KNOW anything.
 
JRKH said:
Then I suggest that suicide is not a good bet.

Peace
James
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I believe in God’s faithfulness. God is faithful to those who have faith.

To depend on our future lives here for salvation is to depend on man for salvation. Salvation comes only from God, not God and man. Once we have faith, whether we had faith in the past or present, we are guaranteed salvation.
 
UKFaithGirl said:
I believe in God’s faithfulness. God is faithful to those who have faith.
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Those who have a true living faith do not commit suicide.
To depend on our future lives here for salvation is to depend on man for salvation. Salvation comes only from God, not God and man. Once we have faith, whether we had faith in the past or present, we are guaranteed salvation.
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But by your own admission - repeatedly asserted here on this thread…one cannot KNOW this is true. This interpretation of Scripture might be right or it might be wrong…

Peace
James
 
UKFaithGirl said:
I can rely on God’s faithfulness. Faithfulness surpasses understanding.
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Yes you can rely on God’s faithfulness for God is constant in His Love.

But one who commits suicide commits murder and Scripture tells us that murderers will not inherit the Kingdom. One who, after claiming salvation - commits murder proves that they are a liar…for as St John points out - such a one continues to walk in darkness.
Those who believe in once saved always saved would refer to such a one as having never been truly saved in the first place.

You may THINK you are assured salvation - commit this self murder only to find out that you were never truly saved in the first place…as proven by your sin of self murder…

God is constant - and faithful - murderers will not inherit the kingdom…

Of course you can calculate that you are safe by claiming despair…but your ability to claim despair actually works against you being able to claim it before the throne of God.

I think that going and talking to your parents, a local minister and / or a priest and/or a councilor are a much better options than the **** shoot of taking your own life.

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
Yes you can rely on God’s faithfulness for God is constant in His Love.

But one who commits suicide commits murder and Scripture tells us that murderers will not inherit the Kingdom. One who, after claiming salvation - commits murder proves that they are a liar…for as St John points out - such a one continues to walk in darkness.
Those who believe in once saved always saved would refer to such a one as having never been truly saved in the first place.

You may THINK you are assured salvation - commit this self murder only to find out that you were never truly saved in the first place…as proven by your sin of self murder…

God is constant - and faithful - murderers will not inherit the kingdom…

Of course you can calculate that you are safe by claiming despair…but your ability to claim despair actually works against you being able to claim it before the throne of God.

I think that going and talking to your parents, a local minister and / or a priest and/or a councilor are a much better options than the **** shoot of taking your own life.

Peace
James
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As I said, God’s faithfulness SURPASSES human understanding, including yours.
David murdered. David went to Heaven.
 
UKFaithGirl said:
As I said, God’s faithfulness SURPASSES human understanding, including yours.
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Still though our faith in understanding of its definition needs perspective.

catholicism.about.com/od/beliefsteachings/p/Faith.htm

Losing Faith:

Because faith is a supernatural gift of God, and because man has free will, we can freely reject faith. When we openly revolt against God through our sin, God can withdraw the gift of faith. He will not necessarily do so, of course; but should He do so, the loss of faith can be devastating, because truths that were once grasped through the aid of this theological virtue may now become unfathomable to the unaided intellect. As the Catholic Encyclopedia notes, “This may perhaps explain why those who have had the misfortune to apostatize from the faith are often the most virulent in their attacks upon the grounds of faith”—even more so than those who never were blessed with the gift of faith in the first place.
 
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