Question about Anglican Clergy Controversies

[runningdude]

Could someone post a summary of all these acronyms I’m getting lost!

 

[Cranmer2010]

Could someone post a summary of all these acronyms I’m getting lost!

two of these (++) means that Duncan is an Archbishop. He is the Archbishop of the ACNA or Anglican Church of North America. The AMiA is the Anglican Mission in America. It’s influence can be found in many churches (especially in Ohio) in the ACNA.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Several years back the AMIA did an exhaustive, prayerful, long study about women’s ordination. They really put a lot of effort and heart into it. It’s available easily online if you just google it. But I have to tell you, recently many dioceses of AMIA have reversed their opinions yet again. The AMIA study recommended strongly AGAINST W.O. That David Roseberry guy, the rector of Christ Church Plano, the ONLY Anglican megachurch in the U.S., has a lot of clout in ACNA, unfortunately. The “church planting” agenda he has is dictating a lot of ACNA thinking. Roseberry is a huge fan of women’s ordination and he is affecting AMIA thinking on the matter. He recently did a survey within his diocese asking people if they’re for or against WO. Since a majority said “yes,” he concluded ignorantly that it’s probably a good thing but he’s holding off for a while to keep the peace with the rest of the provinces.

AMIA isn’t even a constitutent member of ACNA anymore. They were a founding member of ACNA and now they no longer want to be a full member but rather a “ministry partner” outside looking in sort of bizarre thing.

And this is what drives me nuts about Anglicanism in general, all the acronyms: ACNA, AMIA, ACIC, ACIA, CANA, etc. The ACIC and ACIA are part of AMIA and both ordain women but AMIA as an overall province does not? There are so many contradictions and guys like ++Duncan and his weird church polity approach with W.O. are just ridiculous. Too many little chiefs in ACNA and criss-crossing organizations. Disaster waiting to happen…

Cranmer2010:
I don’t believe that the AMiA is in agreement with women’s ordination.

 

[Cranmer2010]

And this is what drives me nuts about Anglicanism in general, all the acronyms: ACNA, AMIA, ACIC, ACIA, CANA, etc. The ACIC and ACIA are part of AMIA and both ordain women but AMIA as an overall province does not? There are so many contradictions and guys like ++Duncan and his weird church polity approach with W.O. are just ridiculous. Too many little chiefs in ACNA and criss-crossing organizations. Disaster waiting to happen…

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Dittoes there, Cran! In the Catholic Church at least at a local level here there are too many Indians trying to be chiefs! Drives me nuts. All these parishoners trying to play priest as Eucharistic Ministers trying to bless kids, etc. The protestant converts instantly try to take over ministries and be in charge. sigh…

Well, I think it is all part of the painful growing process. One thing I have a problem digesting since becoming an Anglican is how in one way or another, there always seems to be too many folks in charge instead of humbly serving in one capacity or another. It drives me nuts.

 

[Cranmer2010]

Dittoes there, Cran! In the Catholic Church at least at a local level here there are too many Indians trying to be chiefs! Drives me nuts. All these parishoners trying to play priest as Eucharistic Ministers trying to bless kids, etc. The protestant converts instantly try to take over ministries and be in charge. sigh…

That is so very true Gurney. I wonder if cradle Anglicans thought that of me when I was received as an Anglican convert?

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Hard telling! LOL…I know the Anglicans at my parish are nice as heck and very welcoming. No salesmanship, no checking up on you, but plenty of friendliness and invitations to fellowship and prayer.

At St. Mary’s, the Catholic parish here, there was this family we knew at St. Paul’s Anglican. Well we both went back to Catholicism at the same time. While we were still fond of St. Paul’s and had a lot of sentimental feelings about Anglicanism, they had the “throw the Anglians off the bus!” angle. They went through RCIA, converted, then Kate and I turned on the TV to the local Catholic station and who is on there? Jack, the guy I told you about. Mr. Convert. He’s going on and on and on about the sinfulness of Protestantism and the futility of it and his glorious conversion, how much it’s changed his life, and testifying. Then his wife takes over the entire baptism office at the Church and he becomes an RCIA expert overnight plus a lector every week, an adult altar boy, a Eucharistic minister, bible study leader (in which I’ve heard he does the laying on of hands and speaks in tongues and thinks if you have a migraine headache you have the devil in you) and is at Church every day. My wife finds both of them really annoying! LOL…long story LOL!!

One day I remember them at St. Paul’s Anglican up there reading as lectors and in the choir, a year later throwing Anglicans off the train as pathetic. Lovely LOL…

That is so very true Gurney. I wonder if cradle Anglicans thought that of me when I was received as an Anglican convert?

 

[Scotsreb]

[SIGN]"TEC was already too far gone by the time that ACNA was formed. ACNA only wants to turn the clock back to just before Gene Robinson. "[/SIGN]
I agree with Eutychus. As a cradle Anglican and then member of the TEC, I saw at first hand from the early 70’s, the collapse into the civil war tearing the institution apart now.

First WO was snuck through, on the sly, using a highly irregular ordination for the first lot of priestesses, BEFORE the question was settled. It was a deliberate action to create facts on the ground for people to deal with. Following that, the institution began to erode until finally, it seemed good and proper and holy to those inmates in charge or the asylum, to “consecrate” Gene as bishop of New Hampshire.

They would have done as well, to consecrate a blue tick hound.