Question about Canon 1367 and automatic excommunication

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I’m curious. I read in another thread that Canon 1367 says that violation of the sacred species warrents ipso facto excommunication. Would this also apply to someone who received Communion in a state of mortal sin? Would that person need to be absolved by a bishop or the Pope, or could they be absolved in the ordinary way by a priest?
 
Canon 1367 applies specifically to one who throws away the consecrated Species or who takes or retains them for sacrilegious purposes.

Receiving Communion while in a state of mortal sin is a sacrilege, bus it not specifically addressed by this canon.

Hope that helps.
 
Technically, being in a state of mortal sin is being in a state of excommunication because you lose your communion with Christ and the Church. That is what the Sacrament of Penance is for, to renew that communion.
 
Canon 1367 applies specifically to one who throws away the consecrated Species or who takes or retains them for sacrilegious purposes.

Receiving Communion while in a state of mortal sin is a sacrilege, bus it not specifically addressed by this canon.

Hope that helps.
I was talking to a Catholic with Celiac disease, which is an autoimmune response to a protein in wheat, barley or rye. A Celiac patient should not consume the Species, for health reasons. She told me that she accepts the Species, and then puts it in her pocket, because if she refuses the bread, then she is often skipped over for the wine. Would her act be considered sacrilegious? I am sure that she would like to know, if it is.
 
I was talking to a Catholic with Celiac disease, which is an autoimmune response to a protein in wheat, barley or rye. A Celiac patient should not consume the Species, for health reasons. She told me that she accepts the Species, and then puts it in her pocket, because if she refuses the bread, then she is often skipped over for the wine. Would her act be considered sacrilegious? I am sure that she would like to know, if it is.
My question is why has she not talked with the priest about this. She should not be taking the Sacred Host and putting it in her pocket for any reason, even though she wishes to receive the Sacred Blood. My question is what does she do with the Sacred Hosts after Mass? I would hope that she is not disposing of these. She needs to discuss this with her priest as this is serious. As to it being sacriligious, it is not a far jump to say that it is. Treating the Sacred Body and Blood in any other way than consuming them [barring Eucharistic Adoration of course] is sacriligious. I would encourage her to talk with the priest. Her medical condition does NOT justify what she is doing.

If I need to, I can look for sources. I am just sorry that I cannot do so this morning as I am a bit tired.

Little One0307

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Thanks everyone for the responses. I thought that that’s what Canon 1367 may have been referring to, but I wasn’t completely sure. My question was specificly about automatic excommunication, where a priest wouldn’t be able to grand absolution.

Concerning the woman that someone was talking about, who put the sacred Host in her pocket so that she could receive the Precious Blood, that’s very serious. Does she not know that it’s very grave matter to do that? What has she done with all those sacred Hosts?
 
I was talking to a Catholic with Celiac disease, which is an autoimmune response to a protein in wheat, barley or rye. A Celiac patient should not consume the Species, for health reasons. She told me that she accepts the Species, and then puts it in her pocket, because if she refuses the bread, then she is often skipped over for the wine. Would her act be considered sacrilegious? I am sure that she would like to know, if it is.
She needs to tell the Priest…and not do this anymore…such would be gravely wrong (objectively)…she needs to talk to the Priest on what to do with the Hosts (return them!..She needs to speak to the Priest on how…)…and I would suggest going to confession…

Also she may need some catechesis as to what the Eucharist is …Who it is…

(it would seem before she receives again…she can talk with the Priest on this…)
 
Technically, being in a state of mortal sin is being in a state of excommunication because you lose your communion with Christ and the Church. That is what the Sacrament of Penance is for, to renew that communion.
Excommunication means that the return takes more than contrition and confession, it requires re-acceptance by the Magisterium.
 
Just out of curiosity, what if someone had been an Atheist, who had openly violated Canon 1367 on YouTube, for example, then later on, had a conversion experience, and went through RCIA, was ready to come into the Church, and went to Confession? Would a priest be able to grant that person absolution, or must that come from the Pope or a bishop, since that person violated Canon 1367 while they were an Atheist?
 
Just out of curiosity, what if someone had been an Atheist, who had openly violated Canon 1367 on YouTube, for example, then later on, had a conversion experience, and went through RCIA, was ready to come into the Church, and went to Confession? Would a priest be able to grant that person absolution, or must that come from the Pope or a bishop, since that person violated Canon 1367 while they were an Atheist?
Canon law applies to Catholics.
 
Technically, being in a state of mortal sin is being in a state of excommunication because you lose your communion with Christ and the Church. That is what the Sacrament of Penance is for, to renew that communion.
Hello ConstantineTG,

In a certain, moral/spiritual way, you are correct. But, “technically,” I would have to disagree. Excommunication-in the legal sense-is in the external forum and is a specific penalty. Mortal sin is in the internal forum and does not necessarily have any connection to an ecclesiastical penalty. The remission of an excommunication is also a separate act from that of the absolution of the accompanying sin.

Dan
 
Thanks everyone for the responses. I thought that that’s what Canon 1367 may have been referring to, but I wasn’t completely sure. My question was specificly about automatic excommunication, where a priest wouldn’t be able to grand absolution.

Concerning the woman that someone was talking about, who put the sacred Host in her pocket so that she could receive the Precious Blood, that’s very serious. Does she not know that it’s very grave matter to do that? What has she done with all those sacred Hosts?
Ahhh sorry totally misread your question. Here let me quote from Canon Law.

Canon 1354 - There are 2 paragraps before this that I did not write becuase of their irrevelancy.

Paragraph 3 - If the Apostolic See reserves to itself or to another the remission of a penatly, such a reservation is to be interpreted strictly.

Canon 1357 - With due regard for the prescriptions of canon 508 and 976, any confessor can remit in the internal sacramental forum an automatic [latae sententiae] censure of excommunication which HAS NOT BEEN declared if it would be hard on the penitent to remain in a state of serious sin during the time necessary for the competent superior to provide.

It goes on for another 2 paragraphs.

However in danger of death the following canon addresses.

Canon 976 - Even though he lacks the faculty to hear confessions, ANY PRIEST validly and licitly absolves from any kind of censures and sins any penitent who is in danger of death, even if an approved priest is present.

Hope this helps and answers your question.

Little One0307
 
Excommunication means that the return takes more than contrition and confession, it requires re-acceptance by the Magisterium.
I’m not saying they are exactly the same, I’m saying that “technically” they are the same. Which is removal from communion with the Church. Excommunication is more of a legal process, but on the spiritual level they are the same as mortal sin.
 
I’m not saying they are exactly the same, I’m saying that “technically” they are the same. Which is removal from communion with the Church. Excommunication is more of a legal process, but on the spiritual level they are the same as mortal sin.
Excommunication is legal term, mortal sin is state of the soul. Technically automatic excommunication may occur w/o mortal sin. E.g. Archbishop Lefebvre and the bishops ordained by him might act with good faith.
 
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