Question about Faith

[rinnie]

I think he’s just explaining the Jewish perspective.

It sounds like a Purgatory/Hell place. Purging for some, eternal separation for others.

You could be right, but I never heard of it that way.

Kanichen is this a correct teaching of your faith?

 

[rinnie]

Jews can be saved just as any other person. “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:26-29). Everyone is offered the ability to be saved by the same set of rules. There isn’t one set of rules for the Jews and another for the Gentiles

I agree, but I do beleive that you cannot go to the Father without going through the Son.

 

[Kaninchen]

You could be right, but I never heard of it that way.

Kanichen is this a correct teaching of your faith?

Are you ready for this rinnie - “On the one hand, meanwhile on the other hand, while on yet another hand . . . .”

I expect you are, you’ve seen me say it a number of times.

We’re really rather vague on the subject of the ‘World To Come’ - Judaism is a very ‘here and now’ focused religion. Judaism 101 gives an outline of various ideas held.

 

[Brother_Steve]

I agree, but I do beleive that you cannot go to the Father without going through the Son.

The Bible specifically says, without any other possible interpretation, that there is only one God, one faith, one baptism, and one way to God the Father and that is only through His Son Jesus Christ and His sacrificial death on the cross. Jesus says that He, and only He, is the way, the truth, and the life leading to God the Father and that no one comes to the Father except through Him!

 

[Bezant]

There may also be some who cannot be cleansed: these people are separated from G-d. Catholicism has borrowed more from Judaism than you might expect.

Is that hell? How is this different from Catholicism’s hell?

 

[fms]

Are you ready for this rinnie - “On the one hand, meanwhile on the other hand, while on yet another hand . . . .”

Classic Kaninchen!

 

[AmericanMuslim]

For the first 11 years of my life, I was a Catholic. Then, I converted to Judaism. I have not rejected Christ, as I still believe that he was one of G-d’s greatest prophets.

Are you sure you converted to Judaism and not Islam? What you describe is more in line with the Islamic faith than with Judaism. Jews (at least the Orthodox and Reform Jews I know) do not have any belief in Jesus whatsoever.

I am wondering, however, if there is any hope for me in the world to come. I will not convert back to the Church, however, as I am a practicing Jew. I am wondering if there is any salvation for me.

You are asking as a Jew on a Catholic forum. Obviously, the answer is going to be a mix of (a) it’s truly up to God, and (b) you should become a Catholic again. What other answer would you expect?

What does your Rabbi say?

 

[chosen_people]

For the first 11 years of my life, I was a Catholic. Then, I converted to Judaism. I have not rejected Christ, as I still believe that he was one of G-d’s greatest prophets. I do not necessarily believe in Jesus the man as much as The Christ, the one who invites the sick to eat, the one who bridges the gap between all. I have not been given the gift of faith in order to believe that Christ is the messiah. I am wondering, however, if there is any hope for me in the world to come. I will not convert back to the Church, however, as I am a practicing Jew. I am wondering if there is any salvation for me.

I just have one very simple question to you as a person who states they have converted to Judaism and who describes themselves as a practicing Jew: salvation from what?

The views you have stated would seem to be those of the Ebionites.

 

[rinnie]

The Bible specifically says, without any other possible interpretation, that there is only one God, one faith, one baptism, and one way to God the Father and that is only through His Son Jesus Christ and His sacrificial death on the cross. Jesus says that He, and only He, is the way, the truth, and the life leading to God the Father and that no one comes to the Father except through Him!

Yes, I thought that is what I was saying. What I was trying to say is this, for those who cannot see the God in the SOn or the Son as God they will when they meet him.

So if they believe in God and accept God when they meet him as the SON they will accept him then. Like Jesus told the disciple when he asked where is he, he said do not realize by now who I am.

But that is when they will see you cannot go through the Father without going through the Son.

 

[rinnie]

Are you ready for this rinnie - “On the one hand, meanwhile on the other hand, while on yet another hand . . . .”

I expect you are, you’ve seen me say it a number of times.

We’re really rather vague on the subject of the ‘World To Come’ - Judaism is a very ‘here and now’ focused religion. Judaism 101 gives an outline of various ideas held.

God forgive me Kaninchen I have never truly understood anything you have said. SO you are saying you have three hands

 

[AmericanMuslim]

Where in the world did you get this? Jewish tradition has respect for Jesus as a great Rabbi.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud#Punishment_in_hell

My understanding is that the Talmud in the Middle Ages did contain various insulting references, however they have since been removed. The Talmud is not sacred scripture but rather exegesis. It’s not really surprising that people of the Middle Ages had less enlightened views…the Catholic tone concerning Jews was not very positive then, either.

I agree that no modern Jew believes this.

Perhaps one of our Jewish brothers can comment further.

 

[meltzerboy]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud#Punishment_in_hell

My understanding is that the Talmud in the Middle Ages did contain various insulting references, however they have since been removed. The Talmud is not sacred scripture but rather exegesis. It’s not really surprising that people of the Middle Ages had less enlightened views…the Catholic tone concerning Jews was not very positive then, either.

I agree that no modern Jew believes this.

Perhaps one of our Jewish brothers can comment further.

Not that wikipedia is an authoritative source to begin with, but note that even here the Vilna translation describes the “sinners of Israel” and not Jesus. So many errors of content result from textual mistranslations–both intentional and unintentional–as well as the lack of context.