Question about "gay marriage"?

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I have a question about gay marriage, okay so I don’t see why us Catholics are so obsessed with gay marriage in the U.S.? In my opinion, it doesn’t matter if two males or females marry by law, so aslong as they don’t start marrying within our church. Is my thinking wrong?? I mean them getting married has no effect on us right? Because we don’t see marriage being official until you get married by church right? Any thoughts or opinions? (Please don’t attack me I’m just curious ;))
 
Well thanks for your question…as long as I am concerned our catholic church refuses the gay marriage because its against the nature (Its Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve) according to the OT if a man lies with another man as a woman they must both be put to death…But according to the NT we don’t do that any more so the main reason that it is just against the nature.
Actually I did a serious research and the Christ NEVER mentioned anything about gay people in the NT it is only mentioned that male lovers will be thrown out in the outer darkness with the pagans and non-believers (read the revelations of John) also St.Paul mentioned this several times in his epistles.
There are two types of marriage the church and the law since you document your marriage with court you are married by law since you go to church for unity you are married by soul homo-sexuals are married by law not by soul.
 
As Catholics we have a duty to uphold the moral law and prevent grave violations of it from being legally supported. This includes same-sex marriage. Government sanctioned same-sex marriage implies that it is okay and approved. It’s a culture shift away from the moral law, can cause great scandal, and be an encouragement for many to engage in sin (perhaps because many will no longer consider it a sin). That has a serious impact. I wouldn’t say it has no effect and does no harm, and it will certainly influence young kids who grow up with it being legal. I’m not saying it will make them gay, but it will be hard to dissuade them from accepting it.

Now, the government shouldn’t be policing bedrooms, but there’s a difference between that and making such relations a legal institution supported by the state.

It isn’t just same-sex marriage, though. It’s the undermining of the fact that marriage is ordered towards procreation and raising of children, and the marital act as being both unitative and procreative. Marriage is only seen as unitative amongst many now (if it’s even seen that way anymore, with divorce levels so high). There’s the moral issue… But you could also say that tax dollars shouldn’t be going to support a couple if it’s not ordered towards the family. I mean, that’s the purpose of the tax breaks, to support child rearing in its natural order.

Note that the key word is “ordered towards.” This doesn’t imply that every marriage must result in children, but we support the institution as it’s ordered towards it and that’s what we want to promote and encourage.

Now, should there be a basis for appointing a next of kin or people who can make medical decisions for you? Certainly. There may be some similar circumstances. But that’s not marriage, and it doesn’t create scandal.
 
hausofferni said:
I have a question about gay marriage, okay so I don’t see why us Catholics are so obsessed with gay marriage in the U.S.? In my opinion, it doesn’t matter if two males or females marry by law, so aslong as they don’t start marrying within our church. Is my thinking wrong?? I mean them getting married has no effect on us right? Because we don’t see marriage being official until you get married by church right? Any thoughts or opinions? (Please don’t attack me I’m just curious ;))
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Since the purpose of opposite sexes is procreation, marriage has always meant the union of a man and a woman.

The institution of marriage existed before any state government was established and also before organized religion came into being. Therefore neither the Church or the state has the authority to redefine it in any other way.
 
hausofferni said:
I have a question about gay marriage, okay so I don’t see why us Catholics are so obsessed with gay marriage in the U.S.? In my opinion, it doesn’t matter if two males or females marry by law, so aslong as they don’t start marrying within our church. Is my thinking wrong?? I mean them getting married has no effect on us right? Because we don’t see marriage being official until you get married by church right? Any thoughts or opinions? (Please don’t attack me I’m just curious ;))
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Thank you for your honest question, but, yes, you’re thinking is wrong. 😉

First, marriage is an institution that pre-dates the Church. Jesus raised it to the level of sacrament for the baptized, but even non-Christians validly marry and those marriages are recognized as valid by the Church (presuming they are free to marry).

So, in other words, it’s not just a matter of the Church keeping to Her own and letting everyone else do their own thing. Marriage is something. There is a truth about marriage that applies to Catholics and non-Catholics alike.

The Church isn’t obsessed over “gay marriage” so much as simply attempting to insert clarity and truth into a contentious cultural issue of our day. If it seems like the Church talks about it a lot, it’s because people keep asking Her about it and expecting a different response. But the response is always the same.

Why does this affect us? Because we are all united as members of one human family. What affects one member reverberates and affects the wider society. Even the sins I commit in private or in the recesses of my soul impact those around me. Sin is never solely a private matter.

To really get a handle on why it’s wrong, we need to understand what marriage is and what it is for. If marriage is just some outside body (whether Church or State) giving a rubber stamp of approval for a couple’s romantic relationship, then it does become difficult to understand why two men or two women (or two men and two women) cannot get married. But that’s not what marriage is. Marriage is the foundation for family. And family results when one man and one woman share the marital embrace and bear fruit. That fruit is a child. And that child deserves to know and be known by those who generated him or her. And that child deserves to be raised in a stable environment rooted in the mutual love between the mother and father.

So it’s not a matter of the Church being nosy or drawing arbitrary distinctions. It is rooted in who we are as human beings—male and female—with mutual complementarity. That holds true whether you are Catholic or not.

Does that clarify things or have I made it more confusing? :o
 
Why do Catholics care if non-Catholics kill one another?

Why do Catholics care if non-Catholic children are sexually abused?

Why do Catholics care if non-Catholic impoverished are left to die?

They are all wrong as decreed by our God, and we serve God in all things.

The whole question is predicated on the notion that A) no one is hurt and B) if A, we should not concern ourselves.

Well, A is patently false. We want to see all souls in Heaven, and see God’s plan for humanity fulfilled.
 
Maximilan_Kolbe said:
Why do Catholics care if non-Catholics kill one another?

Why do Catholics care if non-Catholic children are sexually abused?

Why do Catholics care if non-Catholic impoverished are left to die?

They are all wrong as decreed by our God, and we serve God in all things.

The whole question is predicated on the notion that A) no one is hurt and B) if A, we should not concern ourselves.

Well, A is patently false. We want to see all souls in Heaven, and see God’s plan for humanity fulfilled.
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Good answer!
 
Maximilan_Kolbe said:
Why do Catholics care if non-Catholics kill one another?

Why do Catholics care if non-Catholic children are sexually abused?

Why do Catholics care if non-Catholic impoverished are left to die?

They are all wrong as decreed by our God, and we serve God in all things.

The whole question is predicated on the notion that A) no one is hurt and B) if A, we should not concern ourselves.

Well, A is patently false. We want to see all souls in Heaven, and see God’s plan for humanity fulfilled.
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👍 And it irks me when St. Kolbe’s name is misspelled…which my son was horrified when his classmate did so.
 
One of the many bandied, and false, myths about the objection of same-sex “marriage” is that the Catholic Church is supposedly “obsessed” with it. If such a myth is believed then it’s fair to say that those who support same-sex “marriage” are very much concerned on how the Catholic Church views homosexuality and the idea of same-sex “marriage.” As someone who once supported this recent “civil rights” issue I believe the latter is true.

(1) It was never a civil rights issue since no person of suffering from same-sex attraction was not allowed to marry. They were. They were allowed to marry the opposite sex just like every other person. The movement then pathetically framed it as “the ‘right’ to marry whomever you love” cancelling out the one-man, one-woman qualification.

(2) The Catholic Church has been consistent in its doctrine that homosexual acts are wrong and disordered due to it going against natural law. Supporting same-sex “marriage” and relationships is a complete 180 to the teaching, and I believe those that respect this teaching have every right (the irony) to broadcast their disagreement in a respectable manner. Only in the secular world does nonsense reign supreme.

(3) Those that support same-sex “marriage” tend to call the opposition to same-sex “marriage” bigots who are filled with hatred and prejudices. They falsely align the effort for marriage “equality” to the Civil Rights Era. Anyone with historical and intellectual honesty would see this as a major mistake.

If reacting to a major national issue means being “obsessed” then so be it. You use such nomenclature in an inaccurate way just like The Left who muddles precise language in order to inch their way to their social agendas.
 
The mere fact that a so-called “gay marriage” occurs outside of the confines of the Church will not insulate those in the Church from its consequences.

The particular manner in which “gay marriage” has been recognized means that it is now an implied fundamental right under the U.S. Constitution - a protected status that will affect Catholics in all walks of life, especially those in government service.
 
hausofferni said:
I have a question about gay marriage, okay so I don’t see why us Catholics are so obsessed with gay marriage in the U.S.? In my opinion, it doesn’t matter if two males or females marry by law, so aslong as they don’t start marrying within our church. Is my thinking wrong?? **I mean them getting married has no effect on us right? **Because we don’t see marriage being official until you get married by church right? Any thoughts or opinions? (Please don’t attack me I’m just curious ;))
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To the bolded, sure it does. Just look at the news.

Teachers in same-sex “marriages” demanding spousal recognition and benefits from Catholic schools.

States removing the designations of mother and father/ husband and wife from birth and marriage certificates.

Employees being forced to acknowledge the same-sex “spouses” of co-workers or lose their jobs.

Doctors being forced to treat same-sex “spouses” as if they were the actual husband or wife of the patient and being forced to play along with the impossible scenario that their child patient has 2 mothers or 2 fathers.

School curriculum being rewritten to make it appear that same-sex “marriage” is an equivalent construct to marriage.
Because we don’t see marriage being official until you get married by church right?
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Wrong.
 
So called “gay marriage” is nothing but a civil construct. The same applies to civil divorce. Ultimately, both are meaningless according to the traditional teaching and canons of the Church. Marriage does not exist because the state says it does; it simply recognizes it in a legal manner. True marriage exists because it is in accordance with both natural and divine law.

Interestingly, try to find the civil wedding license of your grandparents or great grandparents. The odds are that you won’t find one because back then, the government wasn’t involved in the marriage process. It should be the same today. There is no reason why the government should be involved in marriages.

As to gay marriages, we have probably already seen the spike and in a few years, just like in the European countries where gay marriage is legal, will see the amount of gay divorce soar.

Gay people can pretend that they are “married,” and people like Bruce Jenner can pretend that they have changed their sex but eventually they will all wake up one day and realize that it is just self delusion.
 
Tim_D said:
So called “gay marriage” is nothing but a civil construct. The same applies to civil divorce. Ultimately, both are meaningless according to the traditional teaching and canons of the Church. Marriage does not exist because the state says it does; it simply recognizes it in a legal manner. True marriage exists because it is in accordance with both natural and divine law.

Interestingly, try to find the civil wedding license of your grandparents or great grandparents. The odds are that you won’t find one because back then, the government wasn’t involved in the marriage process. It should be the same today. There is no reason why the government should be involved in marriages.

As to gay marriages, we have probably already seen the spike and in a few years, just like in the European countries where gay marriage is legal, will see the amount of gay divorce soar.

Gay people can pretend that they are “married,” and people like Bruce Jenner can pretend that they have changed their sex but eventually they will all wake up one day and realize that it is just self delusion.
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Have you ever read or spoken with any psychiatrists (MD), who specialize in working with transgender people? 🤷
 
kozlosap said:
Have you ever read or spoken with any psychiatrists (MD), who specialize in working with transgender people? 🤷
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Can’t say that I have. It doesn’t negate the facts that statistics show that many “transgender” people eventually come to the realization that it is all a sham…that they haven’t changed their gender anymore than a guy who puts on a dress, a cheap wig and lipstick all over his face. It seems to me that it is a psychological disorder that is best treated by not giving in to a whim.
 
:eek: I don’t think most people who identify as transgender, or their families would consider being transgender as a whim.**
 
kozlosap said:
:eek: I don’t think most people who identify as transgender, or their families would consider being transgender as a whim.**
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An objective viewpoint would probably call it a disorder that is in need of psychological help. The process of going through the illusion “gender reassignment” can indeed be deemed a “whim,” because it is something done without a chance of success. A man can no more become a woman than a dog can become a cat.
 
Tim_D said:
An objective viewpoint would probably call it a disorder that is in need of psychological help. The process of going through the illusion “gender reassignment” can indeed be deemed a “whim,” because it is something done without a chance of success. A man can no more become a woman than a dog can become a cat.
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Ignorance is not an excuse fo be able to make blanket statements about complicated psychosexual diagnosis. :mad:
 
Within my own mind: marriage within the Church (that is, marriage by God) and marriage within our nation’s law are two entirely different things; they shouldn’t “collide.” Surely, others feel like this (:confused:)?

God bless!
 
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