Question about Islam (Muslims would be helpful)

[MStreeter]

Does mainstream Islam believe in the killing of those who do not follow Muhammad?

• If yes, how does Islam claim to be a peaceful religion?
• If no, what teachings do the Fanatic Islamic groups use from the Qu’ran to validate such beliefs and teachings? How do these interpretations of the Qu’ran differ from the mainstream teachings?

Thanks for help guys.

Keep the Faith

 

[MStreeter]

I didn’t think this question would be too difficult to answer. I’m not trying to start a big debate here. I just wanna here what Muslims have to say about it.

Keep the Faith

 

[exoflare]

I don’t think any Muslims have generally been logged in here since you posted your thread. Just give it some time…

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Its their new year so you have to give them time like exoflare says. Could non muslim answer your questions?

 

[mom_07]

MStreeter:

Does mainstream Islam believe in the killing of those who do not follow Muhammad?

• If yes, how does Islam claim to be a peaceful religion?
• If no, what teachings do the Fanatic Islamic groups use from the Qu’ran to validate such beliefs and teachings? How do these interpretations of the Qu’ran differ from the mainstream teachings?

Thanks for help guys.

Keep the Faith

I was hoping someone would have answered this by now. Anyone?

 

[inJESUS]

i think the answer is clear.

 

[MStreeter]

mom 07:

I was hoping someone would have answered this by now. Anyone?

Yeah, unfortunately no one has responded to it. I thought atleast one person would be able to provide information pertaining to the question. Too bad.

Please… if you can give any sort of answer it would be helpful.

 

[Hadith]

“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.”

• Samuel P. Huntington

Islam is a religion of peace. This is evident even from the name “Islam” itself. (“Islam” is an Arabic word.) The word “Islam” and the Arabic word for peace, “salam” both come from the same root, “salima”.

Muslims are taught to greet each other by saying “salamun alaykum–peace be upon you.” The daily prayers also end with the same sentence. In Islam, one of the names by which God is known is “Salam” which means peace.

However, one must realize that peace can never be achieved in vacuum. It is intertwined with justice. One can have peace only on basis of justice. “Justice” means putting everything in its rightful place. If one starts putting things in the wrong places, then he disrupts the social harmony and disturbs peace.

Islam seeks to promote peace on two levels:

1. Peace within One’s Self:

A person can achieve inner peace by creating harmony and balance between his main emotions (desire and anger) and his spiritual self. In other words, between his emotions and his conscience.

Human’s spiritual power or conscience is not a static phenomenon: it has the ability of growth as well as decadence. God swears by the soul of human being and says, “He inspired to it to understand what is good and what is evil. Prosperous in the person who purifies it, and failed is he who seduces it.” (Qur’an; chp. 91, verse 10).

1. Peace With Others:

Islam very strongly emphasizes on the rights which people have over each other. It seeks to perserve peace in society by training and urging its followers to fulfill the rights of each other. In Islam, salvation is not possible by just fulfilling the rights of God; one has to fulfill the rights of other human beings also.

Unfortnately, because of the Middle Eastern events of the last three decades, Islam has been branded by the media as a religion of violence. In recent years, the word “Islamic” has become one of the adjectives of “terrorism.” In this backdrop one must realize that the events in the Middle East can be fairly and fully understood only in the light of the post-WWI history of that region, in particular the promises given by the British to the Arabs.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Hey Hadith
What are you supposed to do with the so called ‘terrorism’? If you think Islam is religion of peace. Still blaming the west because they are the victims of unjusticeness from the west?

You are talking about peace for 1.400 years and still hard to maintain what is the true meaning of Peace! It is a case of a warmonger like Hitler claiming he wanted to bring peace to the world by attacking them.

 

[MugenOne]

CyberKnight is correct. What is peace? When the whole world is under one religion of peace and we’ll have peace, right? Explain this to me. When some regions are under one religion of peace, and why y’all still fight among yaself? i.e. Pakistan- Bangledash’s war for indepence, Arab Sudanese killing Black Sudanese, Iran-Iraq, Iraq-Kuwait, etc.
Cyber Knight:

Hey Hadith
What are you supposed to do with the so called ‘terrorism’? If you think Islam is religion of peace. Still blaming the west because they are the victims of unjusticeness from the west?

You are talking about peace for 1.400 years and still hard to maintain what is the true meaning of Peace! It is a case of a warmonger like Hitler claiming he wanted to bring peace to the world by attacking them.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Ibn Kathir’s commentry on Verse 9:05:

So when the Sacred Months have passed…), meaning, `Upon the end of the four months during which We prohibited you from fighting the idolators, and which is the grace period We gave them, then fight and kill the idolators wherever you may find them.’ Allah’s statement next,then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them), means, on the earth in general, except for the Sacred Area, for Allah said(And fight not with them at Al-Masjid Al-Haram, unless they fight you there. But if they attack you, then fight them. )[2:191] Allah said here,and capture them), executing some and keeping some as prisoners and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush), do not wait until you find them. Rather, seek and besiege them in their areas and forts, gather intelligence about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have no choice, but to die or embrace IslamBut if they repent and perform the Salah, and give the Zakah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.)

Is this ayat out of context of understanding a religion of peace? Allah knows best after all…

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

Lets get back to answering the OP’s question.

Rachel

 

[meedo]

Hello all ,

I will try to answer the questions

1-Does mainstream Islam believe in the killing of those who do not follow Muhammad?

No, The mere evidence of it is that there exist many non muslims in muslim countries . Jews fled the Inquisition to moorish Morroco. many orthodox christians arabs fought with Muslims in the crusades. This is just a myth. Islam teaches that there is no compulsion in religion. This is a verse in The Quran . May be people got tired of ansering because they have said the same over and over again on the same forum many many times .

2- If yes, how does Islam claim to be a peaceful religion?

Peace isnt absoloute. Can you accuse God of not bieng peacefull because he will banish satan to hell on Judgement day ?! Peace is the serenity and the satisfaction that is derived from the feeling the The correct and right thing has happened. Islam is a Peaceful religion but will use force if done injustice to it and couldnt resolve it otherwise . I dont see anything wrong with that . I dont see why islam is bieng different if taking that approach . God has destroyed whole Villages , even animals were destroyed . I guess we cant accuse God of bieng a blind raged fanatic terrorist!

3- If no, what teachings do the Fanatic Islamic groups use from the Qu’ran to validate such beliefs and teachings?

They dont need to quote from the Quran . Many groups arise from simply injustice done to them and find no path for their voice sadly.Some are right about it and some are wrong . Every situation is different. Taliban were the freedom fighters against the soviet union and becaame the ugly terrorists againts america. Every thing is relative here. Every situation you have got to sit and analyuze it well and seek justice and then enforce implementation for the just soloution. I dont agree that every body who carry arams and use violence is a terrorist. Or else we are all terrorirsts. The only difference is that soem of us have organised and nice looking army and others dont. The true measurement is the cause of justice in every issue. the Injust is the terrorist .

4-How do these interpretations of the Qu’ran differ from the mainstream teachings?

It isnt about Interpretations. at the end of the day muslims are like anybody else in the world . May be teh difference about Muslims is that they dont give up or forget their rights or causes easily as many other thirld world countries do . Thats why they seem much dangerous to the western eye.

May be i havent directly answered your question . But fo you read what i said carefully you will understand what i mean . People are trying to search the ‘‘Muslim’’ teachings about use of force to interpret their actions.

Islam is a force of faith that people refer to when they feel they have been done injustice to in their rights as normal humans , it isnt some sort of demon teaching that makes a normal guy love to blow himslef up fpor no reason!!!

If you ‘‘sincerely’’ wanna know about islam then you will. If you want to follow the demonising path then thats the easy road probably these days .

All the best

Meedo

 

[inJESUS]

Hello all ,

I will try to answer the questions

1-Does mainstream Islam believe in the killing of those who do not follow Muhammad?

not necessarily, but paying for it yes.

No, The mere evidence of it is that there exist many non muslims in muslim countries .

if muslims do not kill them, it is because they cant for many reasons; whenever they can, they are killing.

Islam teaches that there is no compulsion in religion.

this is the myth; a meccan aya when mohammas was weak

This is a verse in The Quran .

shall i give you an opposite one?

May be people got tired of ansering because they have said the same over and over again on the same forum many many times .

because a divine message is CLEAR. Islam’s message of peace is not clear…you have to strech the quran to get some goody-goody ayas.

2- If yes, how does Islam claim to be a peaceful religion?

Peace isnt absoloute. Can you accuse God of not bieng peacefull because he will banish satan to hell on Judgement day ?!

no; but Jesus told us how to treat people ON EARTH, wich mohammad did the opposite.

Peace is the serenity and the satisfaction that is derived from the feeling the The correct and right thing has happened. Islam is a Peaceful religion but will use force if done injustice to it and couldnt resolve it otherwise . I dont see anything wrong with that . I dont see why islam is bieng different if taking that approach . God has destroyed whole Villages , even animals were destroyed . I guess we cant accuse God of bieng a blind raged fanatic terrorist!

but we wonder why is it that wherever muslims set foot there is blood and destruction.

3- If no, what teachings do the Fanatic Islamic groups use from the Qu’ran to validate such beliefs and teachings?

They dont need to quote from the Quran

but they do

4-How do these interpretations of the Qu’ran differ from the mainstream teachings?

It isnt about Interpretations. at the end of the day muslims are like anybody else in the world . May be teh difference about Muslims is that they dont give up or forget their rights or causes easily as many other thirld world countries do . Thats why they seem much dangerous to the western eye.

if they follow Jesus’ teachings, they wouldnt do what they are doing. They are following ti anti-teachings of Jesus.

If you ‘‘sincerely’’ wanna know about islam then you will. If you want to follow the demonising path then thats the easy road probably these days

the demon path is known to us. whatever is anti-christ is demonic. The role model and the best teachings are Jesus’…other than that has nothing to do with our God.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Why do you need such a long explanation just to explain peace in islam? I seen violence action on tv lately… Is that peace you are talking about?