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theCardinalbird
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Muslims believe the Ka’bah was built by Abraham. How old is the Ka’bah, and why do Muslims believe Abraham built it? Is there historical accuracy to what they believe?
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Tulitas
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Interesting article.
No dog in this fight, just interesting article:
https://excelsiorclasses.com/abraham-build-kaaba-muslims-claim/
No dog in this fight, just interesting article:
https://excelsiorclasses.com/abraham-build-kaaba-muslims-claim/
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angel12
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Why not ask in the Ask Me Anything, Muslim Edition thread?
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MountCarmel
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There are lots of problems with the ‘official’ Islamic line on the Meccan Ka’aba, and the idea that Abraham [and Ishmael] built it. For one there are also Islamic claims that Adam had a hand in building it, long before even that.
There is also a question of ‘which ka’aba’ - there were numbers of ka’abas that attracted worship and pilgrimage in early times. It is most likely that the Ka’aba in Mecca was a late Muhammad or post-Muhammad erection - that the ka’aba that ‘Muhammad knew and lived near’ was the one at Petra - the qibla’s {direction of prayer] of the foundation remains of the oldest mosques appear to align with Petra - indeed this is the case for around 170 years or so after Muhammad’s supposed death.
Mecca was not on any trading route, and not even a reference on a map until the 9th century. It is/was an arid place, with historically only one arsenic contaminated smallish ‘Zam-Zam’ well, dug by Arab nomads. There could never have been a pre-Islamic Ka’aba there - additionally, archeology has failed to unearth/corroborate Mecca being even a small village, let alone a vibrant town and important centre of worship.
Perhaps that is why Saudi Arabia and the Islamic authorities there are having the whole area cemented over - to avoid more discoveries and ‘embarrassing’ revelations?
There is also a question of ‘which ka’aba’ - there were numbers of ka’abas that attracted worship and pilgrimage in early times. It is most likely that the Ka’aba in Mecca was a late Muhammad or post-Muhammad erection - that the ka’aba that ‘Muhammad knew and lived near’ was the one at Petra - the qibla’s {direction of prayer] of the foundation remains of the oldest mosques appear to align with Petra - indeed this is the case for around 170 years or so after Muhammad’s supposed death.
Mecca was not on any trading route, and not even a reference on a map until the 9th century. It is/was an arid place, with historically only one arsenic contaminated smallish ‘Zam-Zam’ well, dug by Arab nomads. There could never have been a pre-Islamic Ka’aba there - additionally, archeology has failed to unearth/corroborate Mecca being even a small village, let alone a vibrant town and important centre of worship.
Perhaps that is why Saudi Arabia and the Islamic authorities there are having the whole area cemented over - to avoid more discoveries and ‘embarrassing’ revelations?
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End_Timer
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Enclosed is pic of large, mideastern church.
I wondered if perhaps the meteorite could have
been the water giving rock Moses struck during Exodus
I wondered if perhaps the meteorite could have
been the water giving rock Moses struck during Exodus
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