Question about marriage validity

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A man and woman are both Baptized, and Confirmed Catholics but not practicing their Faith. They get civilly married by some type of non-denominational minister at a park lodge.
  • Are they married in the eyes of the Church and God?
  • Would this marriage need annulled if down the road, either one of them wanted to get married by a Catholic priest in a Catholic Church?
  • Is this marriage “sacramental” ?
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AkronPonderer:
A man and woman are both Baptized, and Confirmed Catholics but not practicing their Faith. They get civilly married by some type of non-denominational minister at a park lodge.
  • Are they married in the eyes of the Church and God?
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Yes, the Church always sides with the marriage being sacramental unless otherwise proven.

Sort of like out legal system which sees everyone as innocent until proven guilty.
  • Would this marriage need annulled if down the road, either one of them wanted to get married by a Catholic priest in a Catholic Church?
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With the above being true, yes they would need an annullment if either wished to “re-marry” within the Church.
  • Is this marriage “sacramental” ?
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Yes it could be. The Church would view it as such until the annullment process, which could go either way.
 
ByzCath:

Are you saying the Church recognizes all civil marriages in the United States at this time?

Did it matter whether a “minister” performed the ceremony or not, or could anyone licensed to perform marriages in the state have done it?
 
ByzCath,

That’s not quite right. They would be married but it is NOT sacramental. The couple would have seperated themselves from the Church, meaning that they could not receive the sacraments. My marriage is blessed and valid in the Church but no sacramental because my husband has not been baptised.

You are right in that they would have to get annulments if they ever wanted to get married by a catholic priest.

I have heard Karl Keating answer this question on the radio many times. Unless the couple have denounced the Church as their religion and chosen another religion then they are seperating themselves from the church. IF they have denounced their catholic faitve denounced their catholic faith then they are no longer catholic and don’t have to follow the rules, so to speak.
 
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armywife:
ByzCath,

That’s not quite right. They would be married but it is NOT sacramental. The couple would have seperated themselves from the Church, meaning that they could not receive the sacraments. My marriage is blessed and valid in the Church but no sacramental because my husband has not been baptised.

You are right in that they would have to get annulments if they ever wanted to get married by a catholic priest.
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You are correct, I made a mistake.

I was confusing a valid marriage and a sacramental marriage.
 
AkronPonderer said:
- Are they married in the eyes of the Church and God?
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Assuming that we’re speaking of the Latin Rite church, no–in the eyes of the Church this is an invalid marriage, because it lacked canonical form (in other words, the marriage violated Canon Law by people who ought to have known better).

The couple is living in sin. It’s a simple matter to correct, though, by having the marriage blessed.
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AkronPonderer:
  • Would this marriage need annulled if down the road, either one of them wanted to get married by a Catholic priest in a Catholic Church?
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Yes, but it would be near-automatic unless the marriage has been blessed. All that needs to proved is that at least one of the members was Catholic and that the marriage was not conducted in accordance with Canon Law.

It looks like I’m disagreeing with the majority here. I would like to point out that my first marriage lacked Canonical form.
 
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Timidity:
Assuming that we’re speaking of the Latin Rite church, no–in the eyes of the Church this is an invalid marriage, because it lacked canonical form (in other words, the marriage violated Canon Law by people who ought to have known better).

The couple is living in sin. It’s a simple matter to correct, though, by having the marriage blessed.

Yes, but it would be near-automatic unless the marriage has been blessed. All that needs to proved is that at least one of the members was Catholic and that the marriage was not conducted in accordance with Canon Law.

It looks like I’m disagreeing with the majority here. I would like to point out that my first marriage lacked Canonical form.
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The same would be with any rite but the Church errs on the side of caution and assumes that every marriage is valid until an annullment is applied for.

Even though your first marriage lacked Canonical form you still had to apply for and go though the process to get an annullment.
 
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