Question for "liberal" catholics: Why is it not understandable that divorce and remarriage MUST at least be handled with great care?

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From synod reports of various “liberal” ("" because actually catholics should not be divided in political blocks, but the word is useful so everybody knows what i am talking about) catholic media soureces (e.g. National Catholic Reporter) i get the impression, that those bishops sceptical about admission of remarried to communion and absolution of their sins have

more or less no real good reason to be sceptical

except for misguided clinging to more or less outdated rules.

I do get, why some might against the position of such bishops. What i do not understand is why seemingly “liberal” catholics cannot formulate, think of and/or imagine a reason beyond hateful dogmatism for being sceptical/against change in this respect.

Because all catholics, so also “liberals” and “trads”, agree that Jesus words should be honored as they are meant.

If i look now at the following words:
"3 Some Pharisees approached him, and to put him to the test they said, ‘Is it against the Law for a man to divorce his wife on any pretext whatever?’

4 He answered, 'Have you not read that the Creator from the beginning made them male and female

5 and that he said: This is why a man leaves his father and mother and becomes attached to his wife, and the two become one flesh?

6 They are no longer two, therefore, but one flesh. So then, what God has united, human beings must not divide.’

7 They said to him, ‘Then why did Moses command that a writ of dismissal should be given in cases of divorce?’

8 He said to them, 'It was because you were so hard-hearted, that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but it was not like this from the beginning.

9 Now I say this to you: anyone who divorces his wife – I am not speaking of an illicit marriage – and marries another, is guilty of adultery.’"
(catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=47&bible_chapter=19)

i cannot avoid concluding that these words - independent upon exact interpretation and translations (e.g. biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19%3A9&version=KJV ; catholic.com/quickquestions/does-jesus-leave-a-loophole-for-divorce-in-matthew-199) - strongly indicate that divorcing and remarrying can EVEN IF DONE ACCORDING TO ACCEPTED RULES be adultery.

And also, since filling/handing out divorce papers does usually not include sexual activity, the adultery lies not only in what happened between husband and “former” wife, but also depends/lies in the sexual activities he has with the “new” wife, because adultery clearly means some sin in respect to sexuality and therefore cannot mean the asexual legal divorce proceedings alone.

Therefore, potentially some/many/all sexual activities with the “new” wife might include sinning.

I understand, that some might disagree, that after some time, reconcilation and so on, Sex with “new” wife might be possible without sinning. But that wouldn’t not change that there is undoubtly according to Jesus himself at least the risk of sin in sexual activities with a “new” wife.

And if there is at least the risk of sin, why cannot it be formulated, thought of and/or imagined that some those evil, dogmatic, close hearted “trads” besides their disregard for mercy might actually have a valid reason for being sceptically, since handling situations which carry a relevant risk for sin MUST be done with great care?

Obviously, such great care would include considering Pauls letter indicating people being distanced by sin from God in a somewhat serious way, should not try to receive communion, and considering Jesus example of handling an adulter, which not only included not stoning her to death but also included ordering her not to sin again, which both together make receiving communion and confession at least tricky for remarried as it would have first to be understood unambigiously to what extent their rather likely future sexual activity might be adultery.

I realy do not get, why this cannot be understood and instead only a lack of mercy is seen in opposed “trads”.
 
Whilst I agree and am also single I think as per your thread title this has a context in which the questions also need asking whether the “new couple” have got a valid life - perhaps as “separate” individuals - in the following aspects of church life during the period before an annulment is granted:
  • being further catechised
  • participating in works of mercy of any or all kinds
  • interceding
Communion in kinds isn’t the only form of participation in church and maybe awaiting an annulment is an opportunity to discover Spiritual Communion, join the queue and ask for a blessing instead, and do all sorts of things outside Mass as well.
 
From synod reports of various “liberal” ("" because actually catholics should not be divided in political blocks,So why go there? Why divide Catholics into “liberal and conservative”? And, theological liberal and political liberal are very different things…one can be a political conservative and be considered a theological liberal. Either way, “liberal” or “conservative” is an ugly, divisive label that has no useful purpose! but the word is useful so everybody knows what i am talking about) catholic media soureces (e.g. National Catholic Reporter)Yeah, I get what you are talking about, and it is not very charitable i get the impression, that those bishops sceptical about admission of remarried to communion and absolution of their sins have

more or less no real good reason to be sceptical

except for misguided clinging to more or less outdated rules.Sweeping generalizations are as divisive as labels

I do get, why some might against the position of such bishops. What i do not understand is why seemingly “liberal” catholics cannot formulate, think of and/or imagine a reason beyond hateful dogmatism for being sceptical/against change in this respect. Perhaps you cannot because of your need to see everything in strict “black and white” terms and the unwillingness or inability to see shades of gray.

Because all catholics, so also “liberals” and “trads”, agree that Jesus words should be honored as they are meant.Again, the labels! It suffices to say “ALL” Catholics, without the division.

If i look now at the following words:
"3 Some Pharisees approached him, and to put him to the test they said, ‘Is it against the Law for a man to divorce his wife on any pretext whatever?’

4 He answered, 'Have you not read that the Creator from the beginning made them male and female

5 and that he said: This is why a man leaves his father and mother and becomes attached to his wife, and the two become one flesh?

6 They are no longer two, therefore, but one flesh. So then, what God has united, human beings must not divide.’

7 They said to him, ‘Then why did Moses command that a writ of dismissal should be given in cases of divorce?’

8 He said to them, 'It was because you were so hard-hearted, that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but it was not like this from the beginning.

9 Now I say this to you: anyone who divorces his wife – I am not speaking of an illicit marriage – and marries another, is guilty of adultery.’"
(catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=47&bible_chapter=19)

i cannot avoid concluding that these words - independent upon exact interpretation and translations (e.g. biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19%3A9&version=KJV ; catholic.com/quickquestions/does-jesus-leave-a-loophole-for-divorce-in-matthew-199) - strongly indicate that divorcing and remarrying can EVEN IF DONE ACCORDING TO ACCEPTED RULES be adultery.

And also, since filling/handing out divorce papers does usually not include sexual activity, the adultery lies not only in what happened between husband and “former” wife, but also depends/lies in the sexual activities he has with the “new” wife, because adultery clearly means some sin in respect to sexuality and therefore cannot mean the asexual legal divorce proceedings alone.

Therefore, potentially some/many/all sexual activities with the “new” wife might include sinning.

I understand, that some might disagree, that after some time, reconcilation and so on, Sex with “new” wife might be possible without sinning. But that wouldn’t not change that there is undoubtly according to Jesus himself at least the risk of sin in sexual activities with a “new” wife.

And if there is at least the risk of sin, why cannot it be formulated, thought of and/or imagined that some those evil, dogmatic, close hearted “trads” besides their disregard for mercy might actually have a valid reason for being sceptically, since handling situations which carry a relevant risk for sin MUST be done with great care?

Obviously, such great care would include considering Pauls letter indicating people being distanced by sin from God in a somewhat serious way, should not try to receive communion, and considering Jesus example of handling an adulter, which not only included not stoning her to death but also included ordering her not to sin again, which both together make receiving communion and confession at least tricky for remarried as it would have first to be understood unambigiously to what extent their rather likely future sexual activity might be adultery.Catholics don’t interpret scripture on their own. That’s a Protestant thing. Whether we like church teaching or not, we follow the Magisterium…ALL Catholics, not just the Catholics you like to give one label or the other

I realy do not get, why this cannot be understood and instead only a lack of mercy is seen in opposed “trads”.**Again, your problem in comprehending this seems to stem from your need to divide Catholics into groups **
 
Yeah, I get what you are talking about, and it is not very charitable
Uncharitable is mainly your post.
Perhaps you cannot because of your need to see everything in strict “black and white” terms and the unwillingness or inability to see shades of gray.
Prove my “need to see everything in strict “black and white” terms and the unwillingness or inability to see shades of gray”.

No, don’t talk about my supposed need, unwillingness or inability, just prove it. Or otherwise, please retract.
 
I think carn is piggybacking on the image some church people themselves project of wanting to contrast themselves with others, rather than him inventing one. His point is precisely that surely they believe the same as those they are obliquely (and not so obliquely) criticising.

I wasn’t meaning to hijack the thread, merely using lateral thinking to ask what “exclusion from church” (which is what is complained of) really is about.
 
There is no such thing as a LIBERAL CATHOLIC
Liberal and COcnservative are terms for political parties in the US (democrat and republican)

Many people read relgion-related articles on politically motivated websites and this is completely wrong because these websites tend to have a political agenda and they also tend to put a label on “liberal catholics” being the sinners and “conservative catholics” as saints

If you really study Catholic doctrine…it is neither liberal nor conservative. It is neither democrat nor republican…It is just Catholic.
 
Many people read relgion-related articles on politically motivated websites and this is completely wrong because these websites tend to have a political agenda and they also tend to put a label on “liberal catholics” being the sinners and “conservative catholics” as saints
Actually, i got the inspiration for the thread question from a website more tending to label “conservative catholics” being the sinners and “liberal catholics” being the saints:
ncronline.org/blogs/roman-observer/pope-has-smoked-out-his-opposition
ncronline.org/blogs/faith-and-justice/synod-remarried-catholics-consensus-ambiguity
ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/synod-wrap-who-and-what-won-0
ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/synod-wrap-part-ii
 
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