Question: Is there 'bible worship' concerns among some protestants?

[dronald]

Lutherans do it. Authority: Lutheran pastor.

As for the “why”: the Word that is proclaimed aloud is the same Word who became incarnate in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Lutherans believe that the word, “Word” in John 1 applies to the Bible therefore the Bible is God?

That’s how I read this but I’m not entirely sure that’s what you were trying to say, so I’m a bit confused?

I’m stating that I don’t know any Protestant denomination that says the word, “Word” (capital “W”) means Bible, therefore the Bible is God. That’s what some people on this board are trying to say some Protestants do. I’ve never heard of such a practice.

 

[ndismyhome]

Lutherans believe that the word, “Word” in John 1 applies to the Bible therefore the Bible is God?

That’s how I read this but I’m not entirely sure that’s what you were trying to say, so I’m a bit confused?

I’m stating that I don’t know any Protestant denomination that says the word, “Word” (capital “W”) means Bible, therefore the Bible is God. That’s what some people on this board are trying to say some Protestants do. I’ve never heard of such a practice.

Jesus Christ is the Word. We proclaim the Word when we read the Scriptures. The Bible itself is not the Word, but is a particular and normative medium through which God has elected to reveal himself to us.

 

[Nicea325]

Jesus Christ is the Word. We proclaim the Word when we read the Scriptures. The Bible itself is not the Word, but is a particular and normative medium through which God has elected to reveal himself to us.

It is simple: The Word (God) Incarnated as man who happens to be Jesus who IS God. There…that ends all tail chasings.

 

[dronald]

It is simple: The Word (God) Incarnated as man who happens to be Jesus who IS God. There…that ends all tail chasings.

Yes, this is what I agree with and I was saying that all Protestant denominations that I know of believe this as well. But some of the members here were saying that Protestant’s sometimes say that the word “Word” applies to the Bible thereby making the Bible out to be God. I don’t agree that any denominations or Pastors are teaching this.

 

[andrewstx]

I would like to know which denomination this is though, or the name of the preacher. All these accusations stem from “well I heard my friend once say” but I don’t see any evidence.

Video proof, or the Church’s website proclaiming this practice would be enough, thanks.

In my experience all the people I have known to do this do not belong to any one certain denomination. In fact they belong to “non-denominational” denominations of one congregation alone.

These are the same individuals who call themselves “Christians only” and imply they are the only Christians as well.

 

[Nicea325]

Yes, this is what I agree with and I was saying that all Protestant denominations that I know of believe this as well. But some of the members here were saying that Protestant’s sometimes say that the word “Word” applies to the Bible thereby making the Bible out to be God. I don’t agree that any denominations or Pastors are teaching this.

You know what? I do agree with you because they (Protestants and their leaders) should know better and such a belief is false. Especially those in mainline Protestant denominations where the pastor I am assuming has been to the seminary? Are there some odd sects out there? Yes. However, we just cannot make swift-generalizations about any individual Christian or community of faith.

 

[joe371]

In my experience all the people I have known to do this do not belong to any one certain denomination. In fact they belong to “non-denominational” denominations of one congregation alone.

These are the same individuals who call themselves “Christians only” and imply they are the only Christians as well.

“non-denominational” denominations…" Hmmm…

 

[joe371]

You know what? I do agree with you because they (Protestants and their leaders) should know better and such a belief is false. Especially those in mainline Protestant denominations where the pastor I am assuming has been to the seminary? Are there some odd sects out there? Yes. However, we just cannot make swift-generalizations about any individual Christian or community of faith.

 

[andrewstx]

“non-denominational” denominations…" Hmmm…

I use that term because I don’t believe that there are truly “non-denominational” churches in existence. But I do recognize the popularity of the term, even Catholics who should know better use it.

To be truly non denominational an ecclesial group should have no specific doctrine, but these groups have it in spades.

Face it IMHO these organizations are almost exclusively Baptist or Pentecostal and often a blend of both. They almost universally believe in “gettin’ saved, once saved always saved, that the sacraments are spiritually powerless”. They usually believe that baptism is done after one is already “saved”, and that baptism although powerless is still done only to teens and adults and always be total submersion.

I was brought up in such a group, the only difference is that they called themselves “undenominational” instead.

They use Christian as a brand name, and anyone who does not belong to that sect is a “non-Christian” and will be damned.

All this despite the fact that they have only existed since 1906.

 

[dronald]

They use Christian as a brand name, and anyone who does not belong to that sect is a “non-Christian” and will be damned.

I suppose in this thread I’m destined to keep doing this as I did with the generalization that, “Some Protestants say the Bible is God.” But can you direct me to a Baptist or Pentecostal Church (since you used those two) that make this claim?

Or is this also based on what you heard a friend say?

 

[joe371]

I use that term because I don’t believe that there are truly “non-denominational” churches in existence. But I do recognize the popularity of the term, even Catholics who should know better use it.

Ahh…

 

[andrewstx]

I suppose in this thread I’m destined to keep doing this as I did with the generalization that, “Some Protestants say the Bible is God.” But can you direct me to a Baptist or Pentecostal Church (since you used those two) that make this claim?

Or is this also based on what you heard a friend say?

They are neither Baptist or Pentecostal, they are members of the self named “churches of Christ”. They were invented in 1906.

I have had long and bitter experience with that sect, having been raised and dunked in it. When I left it I was disowned by my entire family and told I was going to hell, but then everyone born before 1906 is in hell too.

Please don’t ask for a web site they have none since they are the ultimate Congregationalists and don’t cooperate. Of course the individual congregations sometimes have web sites.

You might want to look at
WWW.bible.ca
that is ca as in Canada and not com.

 

[Tobias65]

I suppose in this thread I’m destined to keep doing this as I did with the generalization that, “Some Protestants say the Bible is God.” But can you direct me to a Baptist or Pentecostal Church (since you used those two) that make this claim?

Or is this also based on what you heard a friend say?

Dronald,

You remind me of another poster here who seems to believe that nobody ever, not even once in the two thousand year history of the Church, has ever worshiped Mary. Because “Catholics don’t do that!” So every mention of “Mary worship” is met with another demand for proof.

It is impossible to provide proof of another person’s intent. We can’t be certain when someone crosses the line. In fact, it probably isn’t our place to judge anyway.

This thread is simply about concern that some people might be crossing the line and entering into Bible worship. The few times I’ve heard an over zealous preacher call the Bible the Word of God (in direct reference to John 1) were not recorded, and if they were I imagine they would not still be available to the public. Preachers realize they make mistakes, and remove sermons from their catalog when they need to. And I’m sure nobody is going to post anything on their church website without carefully considering it and weighing it against all doctrine.

 

[andrewstx]

Dronald I might owe you an apology for confusing you if you are still reading.

You see I was speaking of two separate denominations, the “non-denominationals” and the so called “churches of Christ” who raised me.

The cosofC call themselves “undenominational” not non denominational. Both groups have similarities and big differences. The casofC do not believe in gettin’ saved without baptism. They actually teach that baptism is a part of what “saves”, but you have to be a certain age and you must be dunked as the form of Baptism. Another big difference is they “serve the Lord’s Supper” every Sunday. They are congregational in polity and have no organization beyond the local congregation. That ism why they have no denominational web site.

Some times I was talking about one, and other times the others. So I’m sure I confused you. For that I appologise .

 

[Son_of_Niall]

I suppose in this thread I’m destined to keep doing this as I did with the generalization that, “Some Protestants say the Bible is God.” But can you direct me to a Baptist or Pentecostal Church (since you used those two) that make this claim?

Or is this also based on what you heard a friend say?

Google “fundamental Baptist” and KJV or KJB.
Get back to us in a couple hours.