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I was just reading a thread about a group of Anglo-Lutheran churches seeking union with Rome. This got me to thinking, If a Catholic was married in the Church, then divorced and join another denomination and remarried. And this second marriage was recognized by their new church. Then that denomination as a whole came back to union with Rome, How would this effect that person standing on receiving of the Sacraments? And would they then been again required to seek annulment of their first marriage?
 
oneGODoneCHURCH said:
I was just reading a thread about a group of Anglo-Lutheran churches seeking union with Rome. This got me to thinking, If a Catholic was married in the Church, then divorced and join another denomination and remarried. And this second marriage was recognized by their new church. Then that denomination as a whole came back to union with Rome, How would this effect that person standing on receiving of the Sacraments? And would they then been again required to seek annulment of their first marriage?
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I think that is a question for a Canon Lawyer. And the answer may not be very obvious at this point, even to them.

I suppose a definitive answer would have to come out of the dialogs. Perhaps there are precedents from similar situations in the past. It could be one of the major issues that need resolving with TAC as well.

BTW, what is the name of the group you read about?
 
This, along with the fact that the TAC has some married bishops, is indeed one of the two major issues that have yet to be negotiated.
 
Hesychios said:
I think that is a question for a Canon Lawyer. And the answer may not be very obvious at this point, even to them.

I suppose a definitive answer would have to come out of the dialogs. Perhaps there are precedents from similar situations in the past. It could be one of the major issues that need resolving with TAC as well.

BTW, what is the name of the group you read about?
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That you I stated to asked the on that apologist section but thought I’d start here.

they are called the Anglo Lutheran Catholic Church.

Thank you.
 
As I re-read this, I see that you were talking about the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church. I was, in fact, referring to the negotiations with the Traditional Anglican Communion, but I imagine that the issues would be fairly similar.
 
Rolltide said:
As I re-read this, I see that you were talking about the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church. I was, in fact, referring to the negotiations with the Traditional Anglican Communion, but I imagine that the issues would be fairly similar.
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I would say so.
 
Rolltide said:
This, along with the fact that the TAC has some married bishops, is indeed one of the two major issues that have yet to be negotiated.
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My understanding was that the married TAC bishops had agreed to step down and be priests.
Jon
 
JonNC said:
My understanding was that the married TAC bishops had agreed to step down and be priests.
Jon
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Jon,

You are just the one I was hoping to hear from on this. I have a hard time being objective about it as with some members of my family it if they were to become members of this and full union with Rome did happen it would provide a way back in to full communion with the church as kind of a back door by pass. That bothers me on one level yet again I would like to see that happen. Sort of a one time pass, if you know what I mean.
 
is there really an anglo lutheran church or was it anglo lutheran catholic?
 
oneGODoneCHURCH said:
I was just reading a thread about a group of Anglo-Lutheran churches seeking union with Rome. This got me to thinking, If a Catholic was married in the Church, then divorced and join another denomination and remarried. And this second marriage was recognized by their new church. Then that denomination as a whole came back to union with Rome, How would this effect that person standing on receiving of the Sacraments? And would they then been again required to seek annulment of their first marriage?
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Offhand, it does not seem laborious to me to start from the position that such recognition was not sufficient. At the time it was given, the ecclesial community (“their new church”) would have lacked the power of governance, and consequently, could not exercise judicial power to declare the invalidity of marriage. That would have required a valid episcopate in full communion with the Roman pontiff.

Those Catholics in irregular marriages are impeded from receiving the Eucharist. A resolution would require a decree of nullity, if one is possible.
 
oneGODoneCHURCH said:
Jon,

You are just the one I was hoping to hear from on this. I have a hard time being objective about it as with some members of my family it if they were to become members of this and full union with Rome did happen it would provide a way back in to full communion with the church as kind of a back door by pass. That bothers me on one level yet again I would like to see that happen. Sort of a one time pass, if you know what I mean.
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Scott,
Why me? 😃

I take it your concern is that they would be welcomed back into the Church as married, and allowed to receive the Eucharist. I think this is going to be a logistical issue everytime reconciliation comes up, even with the Orthodox if I’m not mistaken.

ISTM it may all depend on how seriously each body is toward union, ans what each is willing to do. As you say, it might be one time get in for free pass. To be honest, about a year ago I looked into a local TAC parish, talked to the priest, and was pretty impressed, knowing full well they were making a committment to seek reconciliation with Rome. I just wasn’t ready to act on it yet, and frankly, I’m still Lutheran (though a Lutheran Rite Church would prove interesting to me.) 🙂

Did I help?
Jon
 
JonNC said:
Scott,
Why me? 😃

I take it your concern is that they would be welcomed back into the Church as married, and allowed to receive the Eucharist. I think this is going to be a logistical issue everytime reconciliation comes up, even with the Orthodox if I’m not mistaken.

ISTM it may all depend on how seriously each body is toward union, ans what each is willing to do. As you say, it might be one time get in for free pass. To be honest, about a year ago I looked into a local TAC parish, talked to the priest, and was pretty impressed, knowing full well they were making a committment to seek reconciliation with Rome. I just wasn’t ready to act on it yet, and frankly, I’m still Lutheran (though a Lutheran Rite Church would prove interesting to me.) 🙂

Did I help?
Jon
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Jon, yes you Helped it not so much that the would be as that they would not be. I see there being problem both ways. Or maybe it just my twisted mind that works this way, but if I were say a cradle catholic and the only reason that I was no longer catholic was because I had divorced and remarried and heard that there was a group that excepted divorced and remarried couple and that they were about to reunite in full commune with Rome and all members even the remarried would be excepted into full communion I would go join them for that reason alone. then on the other hand I see were there would be people saying hey they sneaked in though the back door and that’s not fair. Why show they be accepted back just because they joined a group that allow for divorce and then that group has come back to the Church. I can see is as a problem that may have no solution. Or that the only solution may be a general one time dispensation for all divorced catholic. I just don’t know.

As for why you. Your my favorite Lutheran, ( I just can help myself) protestant :D. on here.
 
oneGODoneCHURCH said:
Jon, yes you Helped it not so much that the would be as that they would not be. I see there being problem both ways. Or maybe it just my twisted mind that works this way, but if I were say a cradle catholic and the only reason that I was no longer catholic was because I had divorced and remarried and heard that there was a group that excepted divorced and remarried couple and that they were about to reunite in full commune with Rome and all members even the remarried would be excepted into full communion I would go join them for that reason alone. then on the other hand I see were there would be people saying hey they sneaked in though the back door and that’s not fair. Why show they be accepted back just because they joined a group that allow for divorce and then that group has come back to the Church. I can see is as a problem that may have no solution. Or that the only solution may be a general one time dispensation for all divorced catholic. I just don’t know.

As for why you. Your my favorite Lutheran, ( I just can help myself) protestant :D. on here.
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You are very kind.

If I was a cradle Catholic, who stayed faithful to Catholic teachings regarding marriage, or accepted the fact that I couldn’t commune beacuse of divorce and/or remarriage but stayed in the Church anyway, I would probably have some pointed questions for my Bishop about this issue, too (and I wouldn’t want to hear about the parable of the workers in the vineyard. 😃 )

Blessings, Scott,
Jon
 
JonNC said:
You are very kind.

If I was a cradle Catholic, who stayed faithful to Catholic teachings regarding marriage, or accepted the fact that I couldn’t commune because of divorce and/or remarriage but stayed in the Church anyway, I would probably have some pointed questions for my Bishop about this issue, too (and I wouldn’t want to hear about the parable of the workers in the vineyard. 😃 )

Blessings, Scott,
Jon
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That is my biggest concern on when the topic arises is that in reunion we bring about more division. I do hope and pray that there are those in authority that are looking at these issue as well and God help them make the right moves.

God blessing upon you and yours,
 
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