Question on contradictory teaching

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I probably should have replied sooner, but I haven’t been able to post online for the last couple of days.

For points of clarification (I hope anyway),
  • In Romans when Paul describes how it was by faith that Abraham was counted as righteous, before circumcision, I understand that being thrust for sola fide.
  • The best description for penal substitutionary atonement in my opinion is the suffering servant passage in Isaiah 52:13-53:12.
If I understand the responses rightly,
  • look into N.T. Wright
  • There are multiple definitions to substitutionary atonement.
  • and lean on the catechism…
 
tom25 said:
I probably should have replied sooner, but I haven’t been able to post online for the last couple of days.

For points of clarification (I hope anyway),
  • In Romans when Paul describes how it was by faith that Abraham was counted as righteous, before circumcision, I understand that being thrust for sola fide.
See this post: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14001995&postcount=12
  • The best description for penal substitutionary atonement in my opinion is the suffering servant passage in Isaiah 52:13-53:12.
the idea of some “penal substitution” is something some Protestants (particularly those influenced by Calvin) embrace - it is not what we really embrace…the penal part is rather problematic. Listen here - towards the end around 42 : catholic.com/radio/shows/open-forum-7694

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susanlo said:
I don’t think that penance and repentance are exactly synonyms. I see that most places a form of the Greek word ‘metanoia’ is used in the NT, it is translated ‘do penance’ in Douay-Rheims and Wycliffe Versions. Most other translations use ‘repent/ance.’ In the early centuries penance was a system of church discipline that kept people from communion from about 5-20 years while they would go through different stages (weepers, standers, kneelers, etc.)
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Yet scripture definitely shows that they go hand in hand as I set forth in my blog article Scriptures About Penance which also may need Catholic Confession as a further development for context.
 
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