Questionable Advice in Confession

[Kepha15]

It is indeed a terrible time when the clergy cannot follow or believe the teachings of the Church. But, something caught my eye here…

So you would want to be a priest so you could help the Church, sehr gut, yet you would not do so if you cannot have a wife.

You spent the first 4 paragraphs telling us how a priest goes against Church teaching and supports birth control, and then you tell us that you would only become a priest if the Church threw out clerical celibacy. He wants birth control, you want married priests- what is the differance here?

Secondly, you say you want to right the “sinking ship” of the Church as a priest. What is more important to you- being a priest or having a wife? If you really wanted to help the Church you would heed her call despite any temporal wants you might have.

Excuse me? I have been in a relationship with this woman for almost two years now, and have verbally committed myself to marrying her. I would love to serve the Church as a priest, but in order to do so I would have to break her heart into a million pieces, something that I am not willing to do. And for this I am as immoral as a priest who offers advice of pre-marital sex and birth control to teenagers? I fail to see your logic here.

Furthermore, the difference is that the contraception and premarital sex go against Church dogmas, and fundamentally go against our religion. That priests cannot marry in the Catholic church is only a rule of the Vatican…it has nothing to do with the dogmas of our religion itself. If the pope wanted to change that, he could without overstepping his bounds. I even believe there was a period in the church where priests were allowed to marry.

How dare you judge me…the last I checked, I was the one to discern God’s call for me…not you.

 

[rr1213]

Excuse me? I have been in a relationship with this woman for almost two years now, and have verbally committed myself to marrying her. I would love to serve the Church as a priest, but in order to do so I would have to break her heart into a million pieces, something that I am not willing to do. And for this I am as immoral as a priest who offers advice of pre-marital sex and birth control to teenagers? I fail to see your logic here.

Furthermore, the difference is that the contraception and premarital sex go against Church dogmas, and fundamentally go against our religion. That priests cannot marry in the Catholic church is only a rule of the Vatican…it has nothing to do with the dogmas of our religion itself. If the pope wanted to change that, he could without overstepping his bounds. I even believe there was a period in the church where priests were allowed to marry.

How dare you judge me…the last I checked, I was the one to discern God’s call for me…not you.

Don’t let Caesar get to you. He’s WAY out of line on this one…

 

[Kepha15]

Your belief in your ability (while admirable) is delusional. Christ promised the Gates of Hell will not prevail and that is what protects the Church. Nothing more and nothing less.

And perhaps I used the wrong words here. Of course I don’t think the entire church is a “sinking ship”, but I do think there are many more immoral priests, bishops and even cardinals today than there ever have been. What I meant by that statement was that I wish I could enter the priesthood to combat the greatly growing immorality in our Church.

But that still doesn’t give anyone the right to judge me for choosing my own vocation. Just because I express a desire to serve the Church in a way that she won’t allow me to does not mean I am turning my back on her by following through on my commitment to marrying the woman I love.

 

[palmas85]

So, are you a priest?

The difference here is that the restriction on a married priesthood in the Latin Rite is a discipline of the Catholic Church that it could drop if it so chose. (And, in the irrelevant opinion of this Protestant should drop). Engaging in birth control is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic Church. That’s the difference and it’s a darn big one.

Yet the Church** DID** consider changing it and almost did prior to the issuance of Humanae Vitae, When the Pope refused to the Bishops and quite a bit of the clergy went absolutely ballistic. It is good to remember that. It is also goo to remember that according to the latest statistics I’ve seen somewhere around 65-70% of Catholic married couples do use birth control methods other than as approved by the Church, and by and large the Clergy as well as the laity turn a blind eye to it.

That is the reality of the situation.

 

[palmas85]

Excuse me? I have been in a relationship with this woman for almost two years now, and have verbally committed myself to marrying her. I would love to serve the Church as a priest, but in order to do so I would have to break her heart into a million pieces, something that I am not willing to do. And for this I am as immoral as a priest who offers advice of pre-marital sex and birth control to teenagers? I fail to see your logic here.

Furthermore, the difference is that the contraception and premarital sex go against Church dogmas, and fundamentally go against our religion. That priests cannot marry in the Catholic church is only a rule of the Vatican…it has nothing to do with the dogmas of our religion itself. If the pope wanted to change that, he could without overstepping his bounds. I even believe there was a period in the church where priests were allowed to marry.

How dare you judge me…the last I checked, I was the one to discern God’s call for me…not you.

And apparently you already have.

 

[Marian_Carroll]

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