Questions about EOF

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Hello everyone, I have recently moved to other city and state because of university, and there I finally had chance to attend Tridentine Mass - Extraordinary Form. As I am kinda nerdy with similar things about rites and Church as a whole, I would like to ask few questions if you could help me answer them.

1.a) When is High Solemn Mass usually celebrated?
1.b) follow up question- I read internet site which invited people to such Mass, but because of my inferior calculating skills (and the fact months in this country use slavic names not roman and i dont know them yet) I managed to confuse myself and arrive month late. However, it was supposed to be on the feast of Christ the King- which was apparently yesterday and not month ago.
2. Are subdeacons still ordained? They are required for High Solemn Mass as far as I’m aware, but Vatican 2 abolished subdeacons. Are they replaced by acolyte/layman or deacon? Or are they still ordained in those societies that celebrate Tridentine Mass?
3. Any tips for immersion into Tridentine Mass? I’ve actually attended Low Mass once, and while it was beautiful I think I focused on wrong things so end result was very confusing to me. Of course, Mass itself is about sacrament of Eucharist which is highest miracle of all and therefore always of greatest value- but as I later heard Tridentine Mass is more about adoration than Novus Ordo (which along with Byzantine Liturgy I am used to), are there any other things I should understand before attending it?

God bless you
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
1.a) When is High Solemn Mass usually celebrated?
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Generally when it can be pulled off and, most of all, when the celebrant and the other servers and clergy are trained and willing to do so. At an FSSP parish I used to attend, they were done for very important solemnities (like Easter) and a First Mass for a newly ordained priest.
OrbisNonSufficit said:
1.b)
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That is correct. The EF liturgy is on a different calendar than the OF.
OrbisNonSufficit said:
Are subdeacons still ordained? They are required for High Solemn Mass as far as I’m aware, but Vatican 2 abolished subdeacons. Are they replaced by acolyte/layman or deacon? Or are they still ordained in those societies that celebrate Tridentine Mass?
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Subdeacons are ordained in societies like the FSSP and ICKSP. Priests or Deacons can act as Subdeacons since both of their ordinations contain the order of Subdeacon.
OrbisNonSufficit said:
  1. Any tips for immersion into Tridentine Mass?
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If you have money burning a hole in your pocket, buy a missal! I recommend the one made by Angelus Press: they have an excellent commentary in the margins. Try not to follow or hear everything the does, or you’ll be confused. Follow the choir and get the sense of the order of Mass, then try to understand the nuances with the priest’s gestures!
 
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OrbisNonSufficit said:
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1.a) When is High Solemn Mass usually celebrated? …
2. Are subdeacons still ordained? They are required for High Solemn Mass as far as I’m aware, but Vatican 2 abolished subdeacons. Are they replaced by acolyte/layman or deacon? Or are they still ordained in those societies that celebrate Tridentine Mass? …
God bless you
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I think missa solemnis will be celebrated on Sunday or Solemnity, but there have to be enough ministers.

When the sub-deacon was eliminated from Vatican II, it was only the acolyte and reader left with minor orders. It was made possible for the acolyte to be called a sub-deacon. Also, a priest can do the deacon or sub-deacon functions and a deacon can do sub-deacon functions. There are instituted acolytes and instituted lectors (readers).
 
Thank you for your responses. Is it practice amongst those who practice Tridentine Liturgy to have acolytes (who are in a way still laity) act as subdeacons then? Also, sadly, there are probably not enough ministers for Missa Solemnis in the city. I would like to buy such missal with commentary, but so far I have encountered many scources that criticize Novus Ordo rather than explaining Tridentine Mass 😃 but I will try to keep searching.
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
Is it practice amongst those who practice Tridentine Liturgy to have acolytes (who are in a way still laity) act as subdeacons then?
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I’ve never seen nor heard of a case of this being done.
OrbisNonSufficit said:
I would like to buy such missal with commentary, but so far I have encountered many scources that criticize Novus Ordo rather than explaining Tridentine Mass 😃 but I will try to keep searching.
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That’s weird, which ones are those? The Angelus Press one is SSPX, but I haven’t come across such criticisms in mine, and I can’t imagine the FSSP doing so in their own version published by Baronius Press.
 
EF Mass can be chant and incense and ritual, or it can be priest and congregation celebrating with Scripture and Eucharist and words alone.

Yes the feast of Christ the King was Sunday. It was instituted by Pope Pius of the 1920s because people were starting to doubt Christ

Just go to EF and follow along. Do not pray private devotions while Mass is being celebrated. Follow the Mass. it will take a while to understand it.

There is the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist. The Scripture book will be moved from the right side of the Alter to the left side when the Liturgy of the Eucharist begins.
 
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I did find such commentaries on the internet mostly, when I searched for Tridentine Mass. While I know internet is dark place when it comes to searching truth, I haven’t had the luck to encouncter Missal commentaries in real life. I do not think that / accuse FSSP of doing such things, I merely said that was my experience when I tried to google Tridentine Mass form. I will try to get my hands on the FSSP Missal then, thank you for recommendation.
 
I mostly meant the fact that Tridentine Feast of Christ the King was on different date then Novus Ordo Feast of Christ the King. Thank you for your kind tips however, I will try to follow them while attending the Mass 🙂
 
You may find sources that suggest the Ordinary Form is…barely…probably…valid. But that the Extraordinary Form is inherently superior. Be cautious. I would also be cautious of those who criticize the EF.

I personally attend the diocese approved EF some times. Yes I do appreciate the EF.
 
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I use the 1962 Daily Missal that is published by Angelus Press and its great. Although I noticed that when I brought it to EF mass, I found myself looking down and reading it during most of the mass so now I read it before I go and that way I at least am looking up at the mass the whole time. No judgment against anyone who does do that but in my case I was looking down way too much and not paying attention to the EF mass. I attend SSPX but dont hear anyone say that NO is invalid, etc, I just hear people say they prefer EF and give their reasons why. I still go to NO probably 1-2 times per month, since can’t always make the drive to EF, so obviously I still think both are valid.
 
Yes, about looking down, I had similar experience first time I attended Byzantine Liturgy. I acknowledge validity of NO, I’m just genuinely interested in all traditions of Universal Church. I still have yet to comprehend the way and spirituality of Tridentine Mass, but I hope I will 🙂 The EF Mass I attend is celebrated by Priest who is member of Una Voce, which I believe is in full communion with Catholic Church and Holy See.
 
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The Angelus Press doesn’t say anything about the Novus Ordo.
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Yeah I was reading it this week & from time to time it’ll say “XYZ was modified after the Second Vatican Council” to let the reader know important changes but it’s objective statemts not opinion or commentary
 
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