Questions about Ordinariate Mass

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Hello everybody. Today I went on some journey through youtube videos, and somehow got to Mass celebrated by Priest of Ordinariate for former Anglicans.

I wanted to ask several questions, as I am simply not able to recognize everything.
  1. What’s the difference between Tridentine Mass and Ordinariate Mass, except language?
  2. Can any Latin-Rite Priest celebrate Ordinariate Mass (if properly educated), like he can celebrate Tridentine Mass?
  3. Can Ordinariate Priests, being Latin-Rite, celebrate Tridentine Mass or Novus Ordo?
 
  1. From what I can remember the diffrences are that they have lectors that read 1st and 2nd readings the confietor was recited in the middle of the mass I believe and it follows both the roman missal and the book of common prayer
  2. I don’t think so
    3.Yes because in Benedict’s Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum he says all priests in the Latin Rite which includes the Ordinate use can celebrate both the Extraordinary and the Ordinary form of the mass
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
Hello everybody. Today I went on some journey through youtube videos, and somehow got to Mass celebrated by Priest of Ordinariate for former Anglicans.

I wanted to ask several questions, as I am simply not able to recognize everything.
  1. What’s the difference between Tridentine Mass and Ordinariate Mass, except language?
  2. Can any Latin-Rite Priest celebrate Ordinariate Mass (if properly educated), like he can celebrate Tridentine Mass?
  3. Can Ordinariate Priests, being Latin-Rite, celebrate Tridentine Mass or Novus Ordo?
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  1. Options exist that allow the Mass to resemble the Extraordinary Form or the Novus Ordo (Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, Last Gospel are options, there is a choice between the traditional Offertory prayers and the modern ones). However, only the Novus Ordo lectionary is used (in the RSV translation), and there is always a memorial acclamation after the Consecration. The Institution Narrative is also identical to the Novus Ordo.
  2. Yes, but only with the permission of his bishop and only for an Ordinariate community. A regular parish cannot offer the Ordinariate Mass unless an Ordinariate community is hosted there.
  3. Yes, this happens all the time. Ordinariate priests are often loaned to the diocese in which they live, and are assigned to regular parishes. In this case, they celebrate the Novus Ordo as usual. The Extraordinary Form, while not outright banned, is not especially encouraged by the North American Ordinariate, and it most certainly does not want it offered regularly in Ordinariate churches.
 
poche said:
Any priest can say the mass of the EF if he so chooses. If there is a stable group of lay people asking for it then they are required to offer it.
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Would that apply to Byzantine Priests too?
 
No because it becomes a territorial issue with the Eastern Church. St John Cantius Canons found this out.
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
Would that apply to Byzantine Priests too?
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Not without faculties.

An EC priest can only puclicly celebrate the RCC OF (at least publicly) with faculties granted by the local RC ordinary (usually the bishop of the diocese). Without the faculties, he couldn’t do the EF either (but it’s “traditional” for him anyway . . .). I think there is some ability to celebrate the OF (and EF?) privately, but I’m not clear on that.

hawk
 
Well, if EC priest receives faculties to celebrate Latin Mass, does that apply to EF and OF, or just OF?
 
I would assume that the faculties, when granted, grant the full faculties an RC priest of the diocese has.

As a practical matter, the reason so many EC priests have RC faculties is that many EC parishes are small enough that the priests can either work part time for the parish and part time for the RC diocese, or to help with the very high loads and number of RC Masses. This doesn’t tend to correlate with the demand for EF, afaik–if the diocese is reaching outside (and paying) for extra priests, they’re not going to be allocated to EF functions (unless there is a staggering demand in the area, to the point that the EF Mass is as well attended as the OF Masses).

hawk
 
If the Byzantine rite priest is a biritual priest then he has may say the EF mass.
 
It would apply to both and if there was a stable group requesting it it would greatly appreciated if he would celebrate the mass in the EF for the people.
 
Note the a biritual priest cannot offer publicly offer"the other" rite at his own parish without approval of that rite’s bishop (it actually came up here a while back . . .)

So you still would need a host RC parish (or other appropriate facility). I suppose the EC parish could be approved b y that bishop (and I think it would also need the EC bishop’s approval). As a practical matter, the EC buildings are much smaller than RC in the US . . .
 
Oh I did not know that. Thanks for useful information. Now that I think of it, it actually makes a lot of sense!
 
Many years ago a Byzantine rite priest came to our parish to say mass when there were no priests available. I got to serve mass for him. He said mass in his own rite.
 
How interesting. That was surely a special case however, as there were no priests available.

I’ve been to Novus Ordo Mass celebrated by Eastern Catholic Archbishop as a part of Youth Event, he came from Vatican- and it was very funny/cute (in a nice way), as Archbishop kept “stealing” words supposed to be said by deacon/concelebrant. They just laughed it off though, we all knew he’s trying his best for us. Eastern Catholic Priests usually celebrate in Latin Churches (or former Latin Churches) if there are no Eastern Churches available, though technically it’s for their own parish (which just shares territory and parish church with Latin parish).
 
poche said:
Many years ago a Byzantine rite priest came to our parish to say mass when there were no priests available. I got to serve mass for him. He said mass in his own rite.
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Celebrating one’s own rite in another church requires no special permission—other than for use of the facilities.
 
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