Questions about Paradise

[thistle]

If you can show me where these revelations are not approved by the church I will stop posting them .

If you can tell me or anyone how to prove a negative I’m all ears.

However, just to give you something the question about her revelations being approved or not (not from me) was put to EWTN (I assume you know EWTN).

Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich
Question from LR on 2/10/2004:
I have a copy of The Life of Jesus Christ which is about the visions of the Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich. However I am told that her visions may not be accepted by the Church. Could you clarify whether the Catholic church recognizes her visions as being authentic?

Thank you.

Answer by Colin B. Donovan, STL on 2/19/2004:
This is a timely question, in light of the new movie by Mel Gibson, The Passion of The Christ.

The issue is not so much whether the Church recognizes her visions, the declaration of “Venerable” makes her visions credible, but whether the writings accurately reflect her experiences in prayer. The Church at one time suspended her Cause precisely because of questions raised about her writings, more precisely, whether the man who wrote down her descriptions of her visions actually fabricated material. A few years ago her Cause was re-opened, but on the sole issue of her life. The issue of her writings was left unresolved, and therefore unconsidered.

So, the Church recognizes that this holy woman is a virtuous witness to her spiritual experiences, but does NOT authenticate the writings attributed to her as representing those mystical experiences.

 

[Techno2000]

So, the Church recognizes that this holy woman is a virtuous witness to her spiritual experiences, but does NOT authenticate the writings attributed to her as representing those mystical experiences.

So why did it receive a nihil obstat and a imprimatur ?

 

[thistle]

So why did it receive a nihil obstat and a imprimatur ?

Lots of spiritual books receive that. It does not mean much these days. Sadly, in many cases Bishops have not even read what they sign off.
Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat do not mean the Church has approved supernatural revelations.

If you are interested this link gives you the process for discerning apparitions and visions.

ewtn.com/library/CURIA/cdfappsrevs.HTM

 

[Techno2000]

Lots of spiritual books receive that. It does not mean much these days. Sadly, in many cases Bishops have not even read what they sign off.
Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat do not mean the Church has approved supernatural revelations.

If you are interested this link gives you the process for discerning apparitions and visions.

ewtn.com/library/CURIA/cdfappsrevs.HTM

If you can point out a theological error in what I posted I will stop posting it.

 

[Techno2000]

However, just to give you something the question about her revelations being approved or not (not from me) was put to EWTN (I assume you know EWTN).

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“There is a beautiful supplication, a quick prayer** that our Lord gave to Sister Maria [Consolata] Betrone.** It says- ‘Jesus and Mary, I love You. Save souls.’ It is very simple, but oh it carries a lot of weight.” -Mother M Angelica of EWTN

Are the Mystical Revelations of Sister Consolata Betrone approved by the Church ,because Mother Angelica of EWTN surely liked them ?

mysticsofthechurch.com/2010/02/servant-of-god-sr-consolata-betrone.html

 

[Techno2000]

If you are interested this link gives you the process for discerning apparitions and visions.

ewtn.com/library/CURIA/cdfappsrevs.HTM

Thanks for your website Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich is approved.

Norms Regarding the Manner of Proceeding in the Discernment of Presumed Apparitions or Revelations
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
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b) then, if this examination results in a favorable conclusion, to permit some public manifestation of cult or of devotion, overseeing this with great prudence (equivalent to the formula, “for now, nothing stands in the way”) (pro nunc** nihil obstare**).**

 

[thistle]

If you can point out a theological error in what I posted I will stop posting it.

You said you would stop posting if I showed you the revelations were not approved. I guess you are not a person of your word!

 

[thistle]

Thanks for your website Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich is approved.

Norms Regarding the Manner of Proceeding in the Discernment of Presumed Apparitions or Revelations
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
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b) then, if this examination results in a favorable conclusion, to permit some public manifestation of cult or of devotion, overseeing this with great prudence (equivalent to the formula, “for now, nothing stands in the way”) (pro nunc** nihil obstare**).**

You really have no clue what you are talking about. The revelations (not even written by Anne Emmerich) are NOT approved by the Church.

Nihil Obstat does not mean that supernatural revelations have been approved. It is simply a certification by an official censor that a book is not objectionable on doctrinal or moral grounds.

If you wish to start a separate thread about Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur feel free but we are already taking the the OP’s thread off topic and risk getting this thread closed.

 

[Techno2000]

You said you would stop posting if I showed you the revelations were not approved. I guess you are not a person of your word!

The issue is not so much whether the Church recognizes her visions, the declaration of “Venerable” makes her visions credible, but whether the writings accurately reflect her experiences in prayer. The Church at one time suspended her Cause precisely because of questions raised about her writings, more precisely, whether the man who wrote down her descriptions of her visions actually fabricated material. A few years ago her Cause was re-opened, but on the sole issue of her life. The issue of her writings was left** unresolved**, and therefore unconsidered.

 

[Techno2000]

You really have no clue what you are talking about. The revelations (not even written by Anne Emmerich) are NOT approved by the Church.

Nihil Obstat does not mean that supernatural revelations have been approved. It is simply a certification by an official censor that a book is not objectionable on doctrinal or moral grounds.

If you wish to start a separate thread about Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur feel free but we are already taking the the OP’s thread off topic and risk getting this thread closed.

I have posted these writings many times without issue you are the only one who has complained, your case is weak I will continue to post these writings until Catholic Answers says otherwise. Anne Emmerich not writing these revelations is half true she was bedridden and dictated it to a man, if you want to believe something nefarious went on that’s you,but right now it’s got a Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur which is more than enough.

 

[thistle]

I have posted these writings many times without issue you are the only one who has complained, your case is weak I will continue to post these writings until Catholic Answers says otherwise. Anne Emmerich not writing these revelations is half true she was bedridden and dictated it to a man, if you want to believe something nefarious went on that’s you,but right now it’s got a Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur which is more than enough.

My goodness you are still completely missing the point. You have been quoting them on the basis that they are approved by the Church. They are not approved by the Church and I showed that to you in the answer from EWTN.

You are of course free to quote them as much as you want recognising that they are not Church approved and so people can view them in that light.

Why would Catholic Answers ban them. Again you don’t seem to understand the forums. Nobody is banned from quoting something not approved by the Church.

 

[thistle]

The issue is not so much whether the Church recognizes her visions, the declaration of “Venerable” makes her visions credible, but whether the writings accurately reflect her experiences in prayer. The Church at one time suspended her Cause precisely because of questions raised about her writings, more precisely, whether the man who wrote down her descriptions of her visions actually fabricated material. A few years ago her Cause was re-opened, but on the sole issue of her life. The issue of her writings was left** unresolved**, and therefore unconsidered.

You know you really should not write something as if it were your own comment. What you posted above was entirely copied and pasted!

In case you also do not understand, “unresolved” and “unconsidered” means they are not approved. Whether they ever get considered and approved I doubt, but possible. However, at this moment in time they are NOT APPROVED.

 

[Techno2000]

You know you really should not write something as if it were your own comment. What you posted above was entirely copied and pasted!

In case you also do not understand, “unresolved” and “unconsidered” means they are not approved. Whether they ever get considered and approved I doubt, but possible. However, at this moment in time they are NOT APPROVED.

Of course I copied and pasted it because it came straight from you which is the only thing you will believe…“at this moment in time they are NOT APPROVED” You interpret “unresolved” and “unconsidered” to mean not approved, I don’t.One thing is certain it cannot have a nihil obstat and a imprimatur and at the same time be not approved.

 

[thistle]

Of course I copied and pasted it because it came straight from you which is the only thing you will believe…“at this moment in time they are NOT APPROVED” You interpret “unresolved” and “unconsidered” to mean not approved, I don’t.One thing is certain it cannot have a nihil obstat and a imprimatur and at the same time be not approved.

“unresolved” and “unconsidered” DOES mean they are NOT APPROVED.

Did you actually read the last sentence in the EWTN question and answer I gave you.

Let me repeat it.

"So, the Church recognizes that this holy woman is a virtuous witness to her spiritual experiences, but does NOT authenticate the writings attributed to her as representing those mystical experiences.

“Does NOT AUTHENTICATE”. “Does NOT AUTHENTICATE”.
You must be the only person on the planet who thinks these words mean approved.