Questions about the apocrypha

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I saw another thread in this forum: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=21087&page=3&pp=100

about the apocrypha:

YAQUBOS said:
1. Were they written by a prophet of God?
No, they are not written by a prophet of God, as we read in those books themselves!

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” ( 1 Maccabees 9:27 )

If the prophets ceased to appear in Israel long before these lines were written, then who wrote these lines??? Of course, NOT a prophet of God!
  1. Was that prophet who wrote them confirmed by an act of God?
    As we saw in 1 Maccabees 9:27 ( one of those false human teachings ), prophets ceased in Israel since a long time! So those books say they are not written by a prophet! So why do we have to search for miracles confirming them??!! They clearly say they are NOT prophets! So we don’t need to test them if they are prophets or not.
  2. Does it tell the truth about God?
    As we saw in Tobit 12:9, and 2 Maccabees 12:45-46, these books not only do not give us the truth of God, but they also give us many imaginary things… Just read “Bel and the Dragon” and you will see…
  3. Does it have the power of God?
    No! It even says that it is not sure that it has a strong human power… Just read the following conclusion of the human author of 2 Maccabees:
“So I too will here end my story.
If it is well told and to the point, that is what I myself desired; if it is poorly done and mediocre, that was the best I could do.”
  1. Was it accepted by the People of God?
    No! And we saw this in the previous paragraphs. Although some of the Fathers and some of the churches accepted them ( and we saw why and how… ), but many others didn’t!
And as those writings are supposed to belong to the era of the Old Testament, we must see if the Jews accepted them as Scripture… And we see that they didn’t! And our Lord Jesus Christ didn’t even say a word to them about this!

So according to which canon do you receive those human writings as divine? Do you accept them just because your church teaches you that? Or maybe Rome is God ( God forbid!! ) and has the right to create a new canon!

Listen to this very well: if we don’t deny all what is against the Will of God in our background, we will soon deny Christ practically…

This I wrote by His grace, and my only purpose is to tell everyone about that powerful Word of God that changes lives! I want His Glory, and JUST His Glory! Let all humans shut their mouths! “Listen and give heed, do not be haughty, For the LORD has spoken.” ( Jeremiah 13:15 ).

The CHALLENGE: bring any writings or words that meet the DIVINE CANON, and we will declare them as Word of God!!!
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Does anyone else know how to answer these?

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“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” ( 1 Maccabees 9:27 )
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If the prophets ceased to appear in Israel long before these lines were written, then who wrote these lines??? Of course, NOT a prophet of God!
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Well Gee…if they were prophetic books it might matter, but since these two books are actually inspired histrory then… But since these were written by faithful Jews…
 
He says that because there were no prophets when Maccabees all Divine inspiration stopped.
 
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Vincent:
They all seem to be arbitrary requirements. Who made them up?
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YAQUBOS in the thread I linked.
 
I will skip your #2 questions since my answer to #1 handles it too.
  1. Does it tell the truth about God?
    As we saw in Tobit 12:9, and 2 Maccabees 12:45-46, these books not only do not give us the truth of God, but they also give us many imaginary things… Just read “Bel and the Dragon” and you will see…
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They do indeed give us truth about God since the Jews TO THIS DAY believe what these verses profess…as for the passages in Daniel, what is so significantly unreal about these stories? Not any worse than eating a scroll, the story of Esther, handwriting on the wall,or any of the other miraculous things that happened in the OT.

Also bear in mind that all these books were in the OT at the time of Christ, and along with the 27 books of the NT were the only Bible out there from the days of the early church until the 1500s when Luther began messing with the Word of God.
 
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RedDeathsMask:
He says that because there were not prophets when Maccabees all Divine inspiration stopped.
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A very ludicrous allegation because that would mean that the Gospel fell into that time…oops!
 
  1. Does it have the power of God?
    No! It even says that it is not sure that it has a strong human power… Just read the following conclusion of the human author of 2 Maccabees:
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“So I too will here end my story.
If it is well told and to the point, that is what I myself desired; if it is poorly done and mediocre, that was the best I could do.”
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It’s called self effacement and humility and (if you check the writings of a great many ancient authors) you’ll find it a simple device that is used to keep them from sounding like show offs. That’s just a literary device, and proves nothing about the “power of God”.

But I would point out that the stories in the 2 books of Maccabees are highly inspiring about the faithful courage of those who believed and paid a terrible price. Even IF they turned out to be only parables of faithfulness under persecution they would still display the power of God in the same way that the book of Job does, since it is the oldest book in the Bible and most scholars say it is also a parable meant to encourage us.
 
  1. Was it accepted by the People of God?
    No! YES! You ignore the sources that say they did, so this is (like all your posts.) just your opinion and your biased evidence.And we saw this in the previous paragraphs. Although some of the Fathers and some of the churches accepted them ( and we saw why and how… ), but many others didn’t!
And as those writings are supposed to belong to the era of the Old Testament, we must see if the Jews accepted them as Scripture… And we see that they didn’t! And our Lord Jesus Christ didn’t even say a word to them about this!YES! You ignore the sources that say they did, so this is (like all your posts.) just your opinion and your biased evidence. AGAIN.

So according to which canon do you receive those human writings as divine? The one the early church handed down to us and the one that has been the Word of God for over 2,000 years. Not the one that you and your haters trumped up and edited to suit your messed up NEW doctrines.Do you accept them just because your church teaches you that? Why not? You accept what YOUR church teaches about the Catholic Church? You are no better than we are…only less knowlegeable.Or maybe Rome is God ( God forbid!! ) and has the right to create a new canon! Rome never created a new Canon! I won’t even answer this because the history speaks for itself and has been well documented here and elsewhere on the forum. Why are you so unwilling to accept that your allegations are based on lies and biased scholarship…you have only YOUR word and some opinions of people who HATE…YES HATE the Catholic Church.
 
Everyone feel free to put your two cents in the thread I gave a link for, althought I don’t think anyone will get anywhere.
 
I read somewhere in the thread that the Jews accepted Sirach up until the 2nd century. Does anyone have any reliable sources? I know I heard Jimmy Akin say the same thing on Catholic Answers live.
 
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RedDeathsMask:
I read somewhere in the thread that the Jews accepted Sirach up until the 2nd century. Does anyone have any reliable sources? I know I heard Jimmy Akin say the same thing on Catholic Answers live.
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I was told by a priest the Jews who rejected the books did so in order to discourage Christianity.God Bless
 
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