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(Mark 9:38 – 40) “John said to Him, ‘Master, we saw a man who is not one of us casting out devils in your name; and because he was not one of us we tried to stop him’. But Jesus said, ‘you must not stop him: no one who works a miracle in my name is likely to speak evil of Me. Anyone who is not against us is for us.”

Does it make any difference if a person is a Catholic, Baptist, Christian Reformed, Church of God, etc.?

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces; I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

If the bible is God’s Word doesn’t it tell everyone what our Father’s will is?

(Matthew 5:43) “You have learnt how it was said: You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say this to you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you; in this way you will be sons of your Father in Heaven.”

Jesus came from the Father and the Word He gave us is from the Father. Can a Christian be doing God’s will when they are part of killing an enemy?

(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”

This makes it hard to justify owning anything doesn’t it?

(John 6:53 – 57) “I tell you most solemnly, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you will not have life in you. Anyone who does eat My flesh and drink my blood has eternal life, and I shall raise him up on the last day. For my blood is real drink, He who eats My flesh and drinks my blood lives in Me and I live in him.”

Do you believe when someone partakes of the Eucharist they are in fact eating Jesus body and drinking His blood?

(John 10:16) “And there are other sheep I have that are not of this fold, and these I have to lead as well. They too will listen to my voice, and there will be only one flock, and one shepherd.” (John 10:27) “The sheep that belong to me listen to my voice; I know them and they follow me.”

Have you heard His voice? If you haven’t heard His voice, how do you know if your one of His?

(1 John 3:3-9) “Surely everyone who entertains this hope must purify himself, must try to be as pure as Christ. Any one who sins at all breaks the law, because to sin is to break the law. Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin: anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him. My children do not let anyone lead you astray’ to live a holy life is to be holy just as He is holy’ to lead a sinful life is to belong the Devil, since the Devil was a sinner from the beginning. It was to undo all that the Devil has done that the Son of God appeared.** No one who has been begotten by God sins: because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.” ** (Hebrews 6:4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from Heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”

How then can men who claim to be ministers of God, and commit some of the gravest sins, still be accepted as Christians, even as ministers?

Isn’t the Bible the Word of God? The Word says (1 Corinthians 14:34-35), (Timothy 2:11-15), (1 Peter 3:2-4), that woman is to remain quiet at meetings. Since they have no permission to speak, or teach. How then do churches allow a woman to be a minister, and or teach?
 
Robert,

First off, welcome to the CA forums! I see this is your first post and nobody has responded yet. What I would suggest, after reading your post, is that you try it again over on the “Scripture” forum. Here in the “Water Cooler” not many people post on serious issues (as you may have noticed).

You obviously put a lot of thought into your questions. I would hate to see them go unanswered simply because they weren’t posted in the right place.

God be with you,

Mary
 
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. . .What I would suggest, after reading your post, is that you try it again over on the “Scripture” forum. . . .
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Wow, that’s a lot of meat to chew on. I’ll take a stab, but most of these are my opinions.
Robert Heibel:
Does it make any difference if a person is a Catholic, Baptist, Christian Reformed, Church of God, etc.?
Yes, it does. The Church offers us so many sacraments that help us gain our salvation (Baptism, Penance, Eucharist, Confirmation, Anointing of the Sick, Marriage) that other faiths do not participate in (in its sacramental forms). The absence of these sacramental benefits may put a soul at risk.
Robert Heibel:
If the bible is God’s Word doesn’t it tell everyone what our Father’s will is?
Show me in the bible where it claims its the Catechism. The Bible is one leg of the three legs of Sacred Revelations: Sacred Tradition and the Church Magesterium make up the other two legs.
Robert Heibel:
Jesus came from the Father and the Word He gave us is from the Father. Can a Christian be doing God’s will when they are part of killing an enemy?
The Church teaches that there are justifiable wars. World War II, where the allies were fighting to prevent further killing of innocents, and all other options of preventing warfare were exhausted, was a justifiable war.
Robert Heibel:
This makes it hard to justify owning anything doesn’t it?
No attachment to family (Luke 14:26) or possessions (Luke 14:33) can stand in the way of the total commitment demanded of the disciple. This doesn’t necessarily mean you need to sell your house and give away your money. It means your house and money should not get in the way of serving Christ. (Man cannot serve two masters)
Robert Heibel:
Do you believe when someone partakes of the Eucharist they are in fact eating Jesus body and drinking His blood?
Of course. How could Jesus have made this more clearly? When Jesus starts a sentence with, “Amen, Amen, I say to you…”, you can take it to the bank.
Robert Heibel:
Have you heard His voice? If you haven’t heard His voice, how do you know if your one of His?
You hear his voice any time the Church teaches. Every Mass, you hear his voice. Every time you read the Bible, you hear his voice.
Robert Heibel:
How then can men who claim to be ministers of God, and commit some of the gravest sins, still be accepted as Christians, even as ministers?
We are all sinful. Luckily, we have Penance to forgive our sins. If you mean the part about “falling away”, I think the Church calls this “renouncing God”. Also, a sinful priest (or pope or bishop) is not necessarily leading people astray just because they are sinning, unless of course they are including others in their sinful ways
Robert Heibel:
Isn’t the Bible the Word of God? The Word says (1 Corinthians 14:34-35), (Timothy 2:11-15), (1 Peter 3:2-4), that woman is to remain quiet at meetings. Since they have no permission to speak, or teach. How then do churches allow a woman to be a minister, and or teach?
Regarding Cor. 14:34-35, The UCCSB interpretation says: These two verses have the theme of submission in common with 1 Cor 14:11 despite differences in vocabulary, and a concern with what is or is not becoming; but it is difficult to harmonize the injunction to silence here with 1 Cor 11 which appears to take it for granted that women do pray and prophesy aloud in the assembly (cf 1 Cor 11:5, 13). Hence the verses are often considered an interpolation, reflecting the discipline of later churches; such an interpolation would have to have antedated our manuscripts, all of which contain them, though some transpose them to the very end of the chapter.

Good Luck, and God be with you.

Notworthy
 
I still haven’t discovered how to post an answer next to another post, but your answer about being a Catholic was “yes it makes a differance because of the sacramental benefits.”

I’m am a man who is a Spirit filled Christian who Jesus has call by name, audibly. The Bible (which Jesus told me was His Word) says Christians are all priest, so why do you say only the Catholic Church has the sacraments?

You said the Bible is only one leg of sacred revelations. That tradition, and Church magesterium are the other two legs. I know that the Bible is the Word of God, and any teaching that contradicts the Word of God is wrong.

The Holy Spirit once told me to tell everyone that no matter who tells them anything about God be it a priest, bishop, or anyone they are to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

You say the Church teaches a justifiable war. Jesus said different. Who is right?

My witness is: Jesus personally told me the we were not to hurt anyone for any reason, and Jesus also told me that Communion (Eucharist) is trully His body and Blood. Jesus also told me He is God.

You just ignore all the Scriptures where we are told that Christians are dead to sin??? Now here is something you really need to go to Jesus about. I’m saying you need to hear His voice for real not some rational excuse that is used because people don’t believe Jesus will talk to them. My witness is that Jesus sat next to me and had me open the Bible to many different Scriptures that tell us Christians are dead to sin. He also told me how that is possible.

Please don’t loose out on the benefits of my witness, by saying I’m crazy or that the voices I hear are Satan, and in so doing you can than disregard what I have said.

I have raised a family of four children, and everything I share is Scripitual. Not that this proves that I’m not crazy, but I am seventy years old and still earning a living by working, and my children let me take care of my grand children.

Yours in Christ,
Robert
 
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