Quran vs. Bible

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Why is the Quran seen as more harsh than the Bible. First of all, it says about Jews and Christians “Our Allah and your allah is one” 29:26. Psalms 137:9 says “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks”. Deuter 20:16-18 and 21:18-21 speaks of God’s command to kill men women and children. The Quran condemns mass murder (5:32) and says that wars must be in proportion (2:194)

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(I got the quotes in this from scholar Stephen Prothero)
 
I can think of several juicy tidbits from the Old Testament to go with that.

Off the top of my head, my guess would be that the Old Testament is a specific instance where God commanded particular people, who are now dead and no longer acting in history, of God commanding people to kill other people, who may or may not have been “innocent”.

All such laws, if any existed, have been abolished by the fulfillment of the covenant of Abraham and of Moses and all the other covenants in the death and resurrection of Jesus.

However, it seems to me the Koran instructs its people, as a law, that it may persecute, kill, and bring under submission peoples.

The Koran lacks redemption or fulfillment. Without the coming of the Messiah, it’s left up to men to carry out the justice of God.
 
thinkandmull said:
Why is the Quran seen as more harsh than the Bible. First of all, it says about Jews and Christians “Our Allah and your allah is one” 29:26. Psalms 137:9 says “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks”. Deuter 20:16-18 and 21:18-21 speaks of God’s command to kill men women and children. The Quran condemns mass murder (5:32) and says that wars must be in proportion (2:194)

Debate!

(I got the quotes in this from scholar Stephen Prothero)
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I am wondering how people could believe contradictory things forever!? I was a Muslim and then Christian but finally drop all religions. There is no such a thing like revelation that God comes down from sky and tell you the truth. Proof of concept, look at holy books. How a perfect God could contradict himself?
 
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I can think of several juicy tidbits from the Old Testament to go with that.

Off the top of my head, my guess would be that the Old Testament is a specific instance where God commanded particular people, who are now dead and no longer acting in history, of God commanding people to kill other people, who may or may not have been “innocent”.

All such laws, if any existed, have been abolished by the fulfillment of the covenant of Abraham and of Moses and all the other covenants in the death and resurrection of Jesus.

However, it seems to me the Koran instructs its people, as a law, that it may persecute, kill, and bring under submission peoples.

The Koran lacks redemption or fulfillment. Without the coming of the Messiah, it’s left up to men to carry out the justice of God.
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👍 I’ll agree to that!
 
I have seen the Quran from a distance. I have never held it in my hand leave alone turn a page of it. From my point of view, The two are incomparable.
The Bible is the Word of God. What on earth can be compared to that!
 
Is the New Testament the only one that teaches God as our Father?
I don’t believe in the Old Testament God was ever referred to as Father was he? What about the Quran?
 
The old testament is hard to swallow. The God of the old testament behaves a lot like a warrior God.
 
The Quran does speak of heaven as a “homecoming” (24:42). It also says “slay the pagans wherever you find them”, but Nicholas V had a bull you can find on the internet in which he called on Spanish Christians to start enslaving “Jews, Muslims, Pagans, and all enemies of Christ”. That doesn’t necessarily mean that there all the non-Christians were actual “enemies of Christ” however. Perhaps the Quran merely spoke of those who were resisting the truth of the Allah. Leo X said heretics should be burned in one of his Bulls. But couldn’t this mean only those like the Albigensians who were committing atrocities like killing people to free them for heaven? The problem I’m having is that only Christianity has a God that directly told His people to kill children. The Quran says that prisoners were not to be killed (47:4)
 
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The Quran does speak of heaven as a “homecoming” (24:42). It also says “slay the pagans wherever you find them”, but Nicholas V had a bull you can find on the internet in which he called on Spanish Christians to start enslaving “Jews, Muslims, Pagans, and all enemies of Christ”. That doesn’t necessarily mean that there all the non-Christians were actual “enemies of Christ” however. Perhaps the Quran merely spoke of those who were resisting the truth of the Allah. Leo X said heretics should be burned in one of his Bulls. But couldn’t this mean only those like the Albigensians who were committing atrocities like killing people to free them for heaven? The problem I’m having is that only Christianity has a God that directly told His people to kill children. The Quran says that prisoners were not to be killed (47:4)
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You could interpret it in different ways, But if the bull is saying “start enslaving Jews, Muslims, Pagans, and all enemies of Christ” then this is a problem for me. The idea that Leo X said heretics should be burned in one of his Bulls is even more disturbing.

Things like this makes it really difficult for me to take catholicism seriously
 
ChainBreaker said:
You could interpret it in different ways, But if the bull is saying “start enslaving Jews, Muslims, Pagans, and all enemies of Christ” then this is a problem for me. The idea that Leo X said heretics should be burned in one of his Bulls is even more disturbing.

Things like this makes it really difficult for me to take catholicism seriously
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Ah, someone correct me if I’m wrong, but a bull, even a papal bull, is not authoritative to the universal Church and its doctrine. In other words, a bull is written by a Pope is more like a president’s executive orders. They don’t very often change the Constitution and are meant to address a need of the moment, not a universal need. Bulls say more about the political power of the Pope at the time, than of the doctrine of the Church.
 
The Church has issued Bulls that seemed to be meant to be ex cathedra in the past
 
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