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Ok, I just completed the first rite of Acceptance and I had a few questions…
  1. Is it absolutely mandatory to complete the first rite in order to become Catholic during Easter vigil?
  2. The R.C.I.A. instructors were unsure whether the priest would do anything more than cross our foreheads during the ceremony. They seemed to agree that some years he went through the entire process (crossing ears, lips, eyes, etc…) and that some years he just crossed the forehead. Is this normal? Does this mean that the ceremonial crossing of body parts is an optional part of the rite of acceptance?
  3. The priest did in fact cross our forehead, eyes, lips, etc… , but when he got down to the feet, he decided to cross our knees instead. He’s an old priest, and I think his back was hurting him so I don’t blame him. Does this matter at all?
I’m probably analyzing the entire thing too much, but I just was curious about those questions. Thanks!
 
Ok, I just completed the first rite of Acceptance and I had a few questions…
  1. Is it absolutely mandatory to complete the first rite in order to become Catholic during Easter vigil?
  2. The R.C.I.A. instructors were unsure whether the priest would do anything more than cross our foreheads during the ceremony. They seemed to agree that some years he went through the entire process (crossing ears, lips, eyes, etc…) and that some years he just crossed the forehead. Is this normal? Does this mean that the ceremonial crossing of body parts is an optional part of the rite of acceptance?
  3. The priest did in fact cross our forehead, eyes, lips, etc… , but when he got down to the feet, he decided to cross our knees instead. He’s an old priest, and I think his back was hurting him so I don’t blame him. Does this matter at all?
I’m probably analyzing the entire thing too much, but I just was curious about those questions. Thanks!
YES, The Rite of Acceptance is not just “window dressing” or ceremony. It is required (danger of death excepted). If he is unable then a Deacon or the sponsor can do the physical crossing as he, the priest, reads the proper prayer. You do not become a Catechumen until you go through the Rite of Acceptance. Then you should spend ONE FULL Liturgical year in the Catechumenate before being Baptized at the next Easter Vigil following that year of Catechesis If going through the Rite of Acceptance now a person should not be Baptized until the Easter Vigil 2008.

RCIA is NOT a 4 or 8 month class, it is a year long liturgical formation.
 
…If he is unable then a Deacon or the sponsor can do the physical crossing as he, the priest, reads the proper prayer. … Then you should spend ONE FULL Liturgical year in the Catechumenate before being Baptized at the next Easter Vigil following that year of Catechesis If going through the Rite of Acceptance now a person should not be Baptized until the Easter Vigil 2008.

RCIA is NOT a 4 or 8 month class, it is a year long liturgical formation.
I went through RCIA two years ago and everyone going through this Rite lined up in front of the church and our sponsors did the crossing while the priest read the prayers. He was not infirm, there were just too many of us for him to do individually.

We did not spend one full year in RCIA. Inquiry classes started mid-September and Easter was late March. They would allow people to come in and join RCIA and still be received into the Church with the rest of us up until Christmas. Anyone interested after Christmas had to wait until the next round of classes started in the fall.
 
I went through RCIA two years ago and everyone going through this Rite lined up in front of the church and our sponsors did the crossing while the priest read the prayers. He was not infirm, there were just too many of us for him to do individually.

We did not spend one full year in RCIA. Inquiry classes started mid-September and Easter was late March. They would allow people to come in and join RCIA and still be received into the Church with the rest of us up until Christmas. Anyone interested after Christmas had to wait until the next round of classes started in the fall.
This is an abuse of the RCIA process. RCIA is in four parts: Inquiry, Catechesis, Purification and Enlightenment, and Mystagogia.

RCIA Inquiry is supposed to be available regularly, year round, with no start or end times - people can join the group whenever they want to, and stay as long as they need to. The ideal is to have an Inquiry group available that meets once a week, with a relatively informal format where they can discuss their questions about the Church, receive an orientation on the RCIA process, and check in with RCIA facilitators on their marital status, previous religious experiences, and current spiritual goals.

Instead of having an artificial start and end time for Inquiry, and instead of all moving as a group together at the same time, “ready or not,” people would remain in Inquiry for as long as they need, whether that is one month, or six months, or even several years.

Catechesis (during the week) and Breaking Open the Word (after Dismissal in Sunday Mass) should also be available weekly, without a start or end time. Inquirers who are ready to start Catechesis should not have to wait an inordinately long time, meaning that the Rite of Acceptance needs to be available several times a year - experienced RCIA people say that three or four times a year works out well. This way, those who have completed their Inquiry goals can join the Catechesis process within a reasonable period of time - for most people, it should work out to a few weeks at most, unless they are unlucky enough to complete their Inquiry goals the very week after a Rite of Acceptance, but even then, the longest wait would be four months, which is still shorter than waiting from January until September - and they would still keep coming to Inquiry meetings - we wouldn’t send them home and expect them to fend for themselves for four months. They should stay in Catechesis for at least one full calendar year, so that they Break Open the Word at Dismissal on every set of Mass readings for the whole year, and also hear in-depth Catechesis on the doctrines and moral precepts arising from all of these readings, each week in a lecture-style class.

Purification and Enlightenment takes place during Lent after the Rite of Election, with the Bishop. Catechumens and their sponsors attend the next Rite of Election that occurs after the completion of one year of Catechesis. They remain in Catechesis for the intervening period of time. Because of this, there will be cases where someone could remain in Catechesis for almost two years (say, if they started Catechesis half way through Lent). This would be unusual, but it wouldn’t hurt anything, since the person would end up hearing the majority of the teachings of the Church twice, instead of only once, and he would be doubly well-prepared to be a good Catholic.

Mystagogia takes place after the reception of the Sacraments of Initiation at the Easter Vigil, where the Elect become Neophytes - the Neophytes should meet weekly until Pentecost. Mystagogia has the same casual, group discussion character as Inquiry, where the Neophytes can ask the new questions that now arise, now that they are receiving the Sacraments. There will be a lot of “review” during this period, especially on things like how to go to Confession, how to participate at Mass, and what volunteer activities they can participate in.
 
wow, that sounds like how RCIA should take place, but for someone like me whose diocese doesn’t do those things - am I less a Catholic come Easter time and I’m received into the Church?

rusty
 
I went through RCIA two years ago and everyone going through this Rite lined up in front of the church and our sponsors did the crossing while the priest read the prayers. He was not infirm, there were just too many of us for him to do individually.

We did not spend one full year in RCIA. Inquiry classes started mid-September and Easter was late March. They would allow people to come in and join RCIA and still be received into the Church with the rest of us up until Christmas. Anyone interested after Christmas had to wait until the next round of classes started in the fall.
Just to make sure I’m understood. I’m talking about un-Baptized Catechumens. Already Baptized Christians (Candidates) do go through the Rite of Welcome, and are received at any time after a sufficient time of formation, no minimum one year requirement for them.
 
wow, that sounds like how RCIA should take place, but for someone like me whose diocese doesn’t do those things - am I less a Catholic come Easter time and I’m received into the Church?

rusty
Well of course not. But they have done a disservice to you and any others with a combined or shortened RCIA. It’s not how RCIa “should” take place. It’s the form RCIA must be required to take by every Bishop.
 
…RCIA is NOT a 4 or 8 month class, it is a year long liturgical formation.
This seems too rigid to me. Perhaps a particular bishop or a Conference of Bishops has some guidelines. But this is what the liturgical book says:

“76. The duration of the catechumenate will depend on the grace of God and on various circumstances, such as the program of instruction for the catechumenate, the number of catechists, deacons, and priests, the cooperation of the individual catechumens, the means necessary for them to come to the site of the catechumenate and spend time there, the help of the local community. Nothing, therefore, can be settled a priori.
The time spent in the catechumenate should be long enough – several years if necessary – for the conversion and faith of the catechumens to become strong. …”

(Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults, USA edition and numbering, from The Rites Volume One, Liturgical Press, 1990, ISBN: 0-8146-6015-0, page 71).
 
Ok, I just completed the first rite of Acceptance and I had a few questions…
  1. Is it absolutely mandatory to complete the first rite in order to become Catholic during Easter vigil?
  2. The R.C.I.A. instructors were unsure whether the priest would do anything more than cross our foreheads during the ceremony. They seemed to agree that some years he went through the entire process (crossing ears, lips, eyes, etc…) and that some years he just crossed the forehead. Is this normal? Does this mean that the ceremonial crossing of body parts is an optional part of the rite of acceptance?
  3. The priest did in fact cross our forehead, eyes, lips, etc… , but when he got down to the feet, he decided to cross our knees instead. He’s an old priest, and I think his back was hurting him so I don’t blame him. Does this matter at all?
I’m probably analyzing the entire thing too much, but I just was curious about those questions. Thanks!
Baptism is absolutely mandatory to become a Catholic. The Rite of Acceptance is not “absolutely mandatory” in the same way. According to the RCIA liturgical book it is “of the utmost importance”. (RCIA, n. 41, USA numbering; from The Rites Volume One, Liturgical Press, 1990, ISBN: 0-8146-6015-0, page 52).

For the Rite of Acceptance the signing on the body is optional. “55. … A … With their sponsors, the candidates come one by one to the celebrant; with his thumb he traces a cross on the forehead; then,** if there is to be no signing of the senses**, the sponsor does the same.”

The feet were not signed, but the knees were, does it matter? It certainly does not matter in terms of making baptism invalid. I believe the signing of the feet are optional, even if there is signing of the senses. I the liturgical book they are in square brackets … ] which indicates they are optional.

It does matter in terms of following the liturgical books. It says “feet” so it should be on the feet. If the priest has difficulty doing this it would be better to take the option of not signing the feet.
 
Just to make sure I’m understood. I’m talking about un-Baptized Catechumens. Already Baptized Christians (Candidates) do go through the Rite of Welcome, and are received at any time after a sufficient time of formation, no minimum one year requirement for them.
I was unbaptized when I went through RCIA. Both the candidates and the catechumens (if I remember the terms they used for us correctly – baptized and unbaptized people wanting to join) had classes together.

I should have made it clear that there is another option available to those that wish. If they can find a suitable instructor that has the time they can receive individual “classes” with that person until the normal RCIA group starts their meetings. At that time they’re expected to join in with everybody else if they can. Some people can’t so they continue with individual instructions all the way until Easter.

Also, Mystagogia was not included at all. Before Easter everyone was asked if they wanted to participate in that phase and nobody knew what it was, but by that time everyone was tired of the weekly meetings (sure they were enlightening to someone that knew nothing about the faith and there were some neat personal stories, but frankly they were boring to me and I don’t think I learned anything other than how to network with other Catholics) and no one wanted to go to any more meetings so we skipped it.
 
Ok, I just completed the first rite of Acceptance and I had a few questions…
  1. Is it absolutely mandatory to complete the first rite in order to become Catholic during Easter vigil?
  2. The R.C.I.A. instructors were unsure whether the priest would do anything more than cross our foreheads during the ceremony. They seemed to agree that some years he went through the entire process (crossing ears, lips, eyes, etc…) and that some years he just crossed the forehead. Is this normal? Does this mean that the ceremonial crossing of body parts is an optional part of the rite of acceptance?
  3. The priest did in fact cross our forehead, eyes, lips, etc… , but when he got down to the feet, he decided to cross our knees instead. He’s an old priest, and I think his back was hurting him so I don’t blame him. Does this matter at all?
I’m probably analyzing the entire thing too much, but I just was curious about those questions. Thanks!
  1. I would assume so. I am an RCIA Candidate (not catechuman) and I had to go through the Rite Of Acceptance including the Signing Of The Senses
  2. Don’t know
  3. We were crossed by our sponsers, including the feet.
Since I came into RCIA on my own 2 feet (pun intended), a sponser was assigned to me for this event. One of the Nuns.
 
Sorry to dredge up this post again. Thanks to everyone who answered as it cleared up several things for me. I was in the process of moving back to the U.S. from overseas, so I didn’t get a chance to correspond like I wanted.

So, in my case, as a baptized Protestant involved in R.C.I.A., was it wrong for me to go through the Rite of Acceptance? Was this rite necessary for me?

Also, my mother is starting to attend R.C.I.A. inquiry this week and she was asking me if she decided to join the RCC, would she be able to join with me in Easter? I had no idea since I’ve been involved with R.C.I.A. since September and also went through the Rite of Acceptance during December and she was not able to do any of this. However, it sounds as if previously baptized candidates are not held to the same stipulations as unbaptized candidates? If this is the case, could someone please explain the differences in the joining process for “baptized” candidates? It just seems a little unnecessary for someone like my mother to be held to a 1+year process to join the Church during Easter of 2008. She was baptized a Protestant 50 years ago and has been one of the most religious and spiritual persons that I know.

Ok, last question. I spoke to a priest after mass this past week and asked him if I could choose to be baptized during Easter even though I was baptized as a baby in the Presbyterian Church. He seemed very dissuasive and implied that this was not generally allowed and that I should not try to have this done. Is there a big reason for this? In my mind, I simply have no memory of being baptized and wanted to have that experience as an adult when I join the RCC, but it sounds like this is frowned upon. Is there a particular reason for this? Thanks in advance.
 
Paul tells us there is one Lord, one Faith and one baptism. Valid baptism cannot be repeated as it imparts an indelible seal upon the soul and marks the baptized person as an heir with Christ and a member of the Body of Christ.

Baptism with water and the Trinitarian formula as is done in most Protestant denominations is valid and may not be repeated.

Only in cases where the validity of baptism is in doubt or where documentation of baptism cannot be obtained, would a conditional baptism be done (usually at a time other than Easter).
 
Sorry to dredge up this post again. Thanks to everyone who answered as it cleared up several things for me. I was in the process of moving back to the U.S. from overseas, so I didn’t get a chance to correspond like I wanted.

So, in my case, as a baptized Protestant involved in R.C.I.A., was it wrong for me to go through the Rite of Acceptance? Was this rite necessary for me?
No. There is an optional Rite of Welcome for previously baptized non-Catholics, but if they didn’t have that option, then they shouldn’t have done anything at all.
Also, my mother is starting to attend R.C.I.A. inquiry this week and she was asking me if she decided to join the RCC, would she be able to join with me in Easter? I had no idea since I’ve been involved with R.C.I.A. since September and also went through the Rite of Acceptance during December and she was not able to do any of this. However, it sounds as if previously baptized candidates are not held to the same stipulations as unbaptized candidates? If this is the case, could someone please explain the differences in the joining process for “baptized” candidates? It just seems a little unnecessary for someone like my mother to be held to a 1+year process to join the Church during Easter of 2008. She was baptized a Protestant 50 years ago and has been one of the most religious and spiritual persons that I know.
Have her get a meeting with the priest to ask about this.

One thing I’ve seen done is to have previously baptized candidates write a series of essays on various subjects (Mary, the Sacraments, the Authority of the Church, etc.) and if they do well on the essays, receive them into the Church on a suitable Sunday outside of the Easter season, or have them join the Candidates at the Easter Vigil, if that seems more convenient.
Ok, last question. I spoke to a priest after mass this past week and asked him if I could choose to be baptized during Easter even though I was baptized as a baby in the Presbyterian Church. He seemed very dissuasive and implied that this was not generally allowed and that I should not try to have this done. Is there a big reason for this? In my mind, I simply have no memory of being baptized and wanted to have that experience as an adult when I join the RCC, but it sounds like this is frowned upon. Is there a particular reason for this? Thanks in advance.
No - we don’t rebaptize; that would be a sin.

What you will do instead is you will go for First Confession (confess all serious sins since the time of Baptism) prior to your Easter Vigil initiation. This normally happens some time during Lent; your RCIA team will let you know the details of this when the time is right.
 
I went through RCIA two years ago and everyone going through this Rite lined up in front of the church and our sponsors did the crossing while the priest read the prayers. He was not infirm, there were just too many of us for him to do individually.

We did not spend one full year in RCIA. Inquiry classes started mid-September and Easter was late March. They would allow people to come in and join RCIA and still be received into the Church with the rest of us up until Christmas. Anyone interested after Christmas had to wait until the next round of classes started in the fall.
Yup, that seems to be the way they are doing it at my Church. Us Candidates and Catechumans were signed by our sponsers, and we get confirmed at the easter Vigil.
 
Just to make sure I’m understood. I’m talking about un-Baptized Catechumens. Already Baptized Christians (Candidates) do go through the Rite of Welcome, and are received at any time after a sufficient time of formation, no minimum one year requirement for them.
Wanna bet? If you can find a parish that actually does that, lots of luck and CONGRATULATIONS!

But not in my area. I’ve whined about this in other postings and threads. I get the impression that, in most of the USA, candidates are going to be lumped in with the catecumans, no matter what.

And you cannot complain too much, or everyone in this forum starts giving you lectures and homilies and advice about learning patience and obediance.
 
No. There is an optional Rite of Welcome for previously baptized non-Catholics, but if they didn’t have that option, then they shouldn’t have done anything at all.

Have her get a meeting with the priest to ask about this.

One thing I’ve seen done is to have previously baptized candidates write a series of essays on various subjects (Mary, the Sacraments, the Authority of the Church, etc.) and if they do well on the essays, receive them into the Church on a suitable Sunday outside of the Easter season, or have them join the Candidates at the Easter Vigil, if that seems more convenient.

No - we don’t rebaptize; that would be a sin.

What you will do instead is you will go for First Confession (confess all serious sins since the time of Baptism) prior to your Easter Vigil initiation. This normally happens some time during Lent; your RCIA team will let you know the details of this when the time is right.
Given that most of RCIA in the USA is an inept muddle, I hope that I will be given SOME sort of instructions and guidelines for my first confession. That’s 55 years worth of sin, folks. Bring on the well-padded kneelers:rolleyes:

Problem. I may need a "conditional " baptism. I was born 4 October 1944 in Dartford, Kent, England. My baptismal certificate is long lost, and The Church Of England lost a lot of records from wartime bombs and fires. When I was confirmed in the Lutheran Church as a teenager, they accepted my Mother’s word about my Church of England baptism. My RCIA program may not.😦
 
If someone went through the Rite of Acceptance and then dropped out of RCIA for personal reason, do they then need to go through the Rite of Acceptance again when they start up again?
 
Given that most of RCIA in the USA is an inept muddle, I hope that I will be given SOME sort of instructions and guidelines for my first confession. That’s 55 years worth of sin, folks. Bring on the well-padded kneelers:rolleyes:

Problem. I may need a "conditional " baptism. I was born 4 October 1944 in Dartford, Kent, England. My baptismal certificate is long lost, and The Church Of England lost a lot of records from wartime bombs and fires. When I was confirmed in the Lutheran Church as a teenager, they accepted my Mother’s word about my Church of England baptism. My RCIA program may not.😦
I assume that you were an infant when Baptized. You should be conditionally Baptized then if there is any question and no one can testify to it. Conditional Baptism should take place one evening, maybe an extra half hour before the regular RCIA meeting. Only you, your Sponsor (as a witness), and the priest or Deacon should be there.
 
If someone went through the Rite of Acceptance and then dropped out of RCIA for personal reason, do they then need to go through the Rite of Acceptance again when they start up again?
That is a good question. One I do not think I have ever heard before. I would think no because it marks a canonical status change for the person. However nothing says that it is not repeatable.
 
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