Re: What are you doing to help the Melkite Greek Catholics suffering in Palestine?

[Nicholas82]

Yeah, next time try to shed a tear for Jewish Christians in the land of Israel(not “Palestine”). After all, they are our Lords brethern in the flesh.

Grace based Messianics in the land suffer just as much as the Palestinean Christians suffer from their Islamic brethern. They are ridiculed by the ultra-orthodox in many ways, they are looked upon as traitors and sinners because they do not accept rabbincal authority. The Jewish Christians get blamed for certain other Christians missionaries that come to Israel and dump leaflets and tracts everywhere. Their meeting places and even their homes, not to mention themselves are targets of terroism because they are Christian.

What is the idea behind this “messianic Jew” thing anyway? St. Paul was a messianic Jew, St. Peter was a messianic Jew, all the Apostles were… Christ established a Church, the Apostles spread the faith, ordained Bishops, etc… if you want to be a “messianic Jew” then join an Apostolic Church, Orthodox, Catholic, whichever you believe to be the right! What is this “messianic Jew” movement that seems to consider itself better or apart from the rest of Christ’s followers?

 

[Lev23]

What is the idea behind this “messianic Jew” thing anyway? St. Paul was a messianic Jew, St. Peter was a messianic Jew, all the Apostles were… Christ established a Church, the Apostles spread the faith, ordained Bishops, etc… if you want to be a “messianic Jew” then join an Apostolic Church, Orthodox, Catholic, whichever you believe to be the right! What is this “messianic Jew” movement that seems to consider itself better or apart from the rest of Christ’s followers?

This “Messianic Jew” movement you speak of follows what the Apostles taught. I don’t know where you are getting this “better” vibe from.

The Jewish Christians are not “better” than any other Chrisitians. For the first Chrisitians, who were all Jewish were truly servants to the gentiles when it was revealed(by God) that God shows no favor towards any man. For in the Church, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, but all one in Christ.

But Jewish Christians do represent the true remnant of Israel. This remnant of Israel, along with the land of Israel and our Lord Jesus Christ, are central to God’s prophecy. And when God announced the New Covanent in Jeremiah 31, he stressed the descendants of Israel will never cease to be a nation before him, he will never reject them for all they done. Read it, its an eye opener.

St.Paul wrote about Israel in Romans 11:5-6-
"So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace."

There must be a prophetic importance to the remnant of Israel.

Do you think?

 

[Nicholas82]

This “Messianic Jew” movement you speak of follows what the Apostles taught. I don’t know where you are getting this “better” vibe from.

The Jewish Christians are not “better” than any other Chrisitians. For the first Chrisitians, who were all Jewish were truly servants to the gentiles when it was revealed(by God) that God shows no favor towards any man. For in the Church, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, but all one in Christ.

But Jewish Christians do represent the true remnant of Israel. This remnant of Israel, along with the land of Israel and our Lord Jesus Christ, are central to God’s prophecy. And when God announced the New Covanent in Jeremiah 31, he stressed the descendants of Israel will never cease to be a nation before him, he will never reject them for all they done. Read it, its an eye opener.

St.Paul wrote about Israel in Romans 11:5-6-
"So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace."

There must be a prophetic importance to the remnant of Israel.

Do you think?

Then these “messianic Jews” are part of the Orthodox Church? Forgive me if I speak of the Orthodox Church rather than the Roman Catholic Church, I am an Orthodox Christian and can only speak as such. You are right that in Christ there is neither Jew or Gentile, but there is one Church. It’s not as if the Church is excluding Jews from membership. I’m not saying that the descendents of Israel will ever “cease to be a nation before him”, but that does not mean that they are set apart to start their own church and worship apart from the rest of the Church Christ Himself established. There certainly is importence to the “remnant of Israel”, but within the context of the Church, not outside of it. The Church has the Holy Mysteries, outside of it we cannot say…