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JThomasAlden
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Let me start off by saying that I am asking these questions in an honest interest in what the Catholic church teaches. I am a cradle-Catholic who has turned Atheist after 40+ years (I still attend Mass with my family and listen even more intently than ever, but I don’t believe anymore), but I am not here to argue for or against my beliefs. Nor do I wish to run up against the ban which prevents the members of this board from discussing Atheism or Evolution here. The truth is that the Mass does a poor job of addressing or teaching a lot of the tenants held by the Church, but that isn’t its main purpose anyways.
I also understand to some degree the role that Genesis plays in the justification and foundation of the philosophies of the Church.
I also understand that the very phrasing of my questions are loaded with a certain bias, though I intend no deceit in their asking. I’m asking here because I want to know the Catholic view on these questions, and not a general Jewish view, Christian view, or a “just read the Bible and figure it out for yourself” based view. I know that various Biblical Scholars have different views, but I don’t know which Biblical Scholars could be considered to be correct in the eyes of the Church and which ones would not be considered to be correct.
With those caveats out of the way, I’m wondering about how the Church views the stories of Genesis insofar as whether they are to be read as parable, allegory, historical, or in some other way. For the sake of discussion, lets consider parables to be stories made up by the author which aren’t to be considered true, but through whose telling a greater point is intended to be made. Allegories are similar to parables in that they are not literal and aim to drive home a greater point, but whose characters and elements are understood to represent real-world counterparts (such as the character Aslan representing Jesus in C.S.Lewis’s Chronicles of Narnia). Historical accounts are those where the story is intended to more or less record an actual event, whether the author was present at the event or writing down stories learned from other written or verbal sources where the author believed the accounts to be tellings of actual events. There are of course other genres such as historical fiction where historical characters or places are included, but where the stories themselves are not meant to be interpreted as historical accounts (literary works like those of Victor Hugo or Charles Dickens would be examples here).
For the purpose of Catholic Theology, parables, allegories, or historical accounts could all be valid ways to read Genesis if you are only concerned with philosophical justifications. So maybe the Church has never bothered to address or which parts of Genesis are to be considered historical (or even roughly historical) since it does not suit its purposes to do so.
However my interest is in, according to the Church, which stories in Genesis are meant to be interpreted as largely historical in nature? Let’s ignore Chapter 1 for now since that has been debated to death. What about the story of Adam and Eve (Gen 2-3), and their offspring (Gen 4-5)? What of the story of Noah and the flood (Gen 6-9)? What of the stories of Abraham (12-25), Issac (25-26), Jacob and Esau (27-37), and Joseph (37-50)?
These stories are the foundation upon which much of theology of Christianity and Judaism is based and which establish the way in which mankind, particularly the early Jewish people, came to know about the “God of Abraham”.
If this is not the forum to ask such questions, do you know of a better one you can point me towards? I would hope that asking about the teachings of the Catholic Church, regardless of my personal stance, can be considered a valid topic of discussion.
Thank you for your time.
I also understand to some degree the role that Genesis plays in the justification and foundation of the philosophies of the Church.
I also understand that the very phrasing of my questions are loaded with a certain bias, though I intend no deceit in their asking. I’m asking here because I want to know the Catholic view on these questions, and not a general Jewish view, Christian view, or a “just read the Bible and figure it out for yourself” based view. I know that various Biblical Scholars have different views, but I don’t know which Biblical Scholars could be considered to be correct in the eyes of the Church and which ones would not be considered to be correct.
With those caveats out of the way, I’m wondering about how the Church views the stories of Genesis insofar as whether they are to be read as parable, allegory, historical, or in some other way. For the sake of discussion, lets consider parables to be stories made up by the author which aren’t to be considered true, but through whose telling a greater point is intended to be made. Allegories are similar to parables in that they are not literal and aim to drive home a greater point, but whose characters and elements are understood to represent real-world counterparts (such as the character Aslan representing Jesus in C.S.Lewis’s Chronicles of Narnia). Historical accounts are those where the story is intended to more or less record an actual event, whether the author was present at the event or writing down stories learned from other written or verbal sources where the author believed the accounts to be tellings of actual events. There are of course other genres such as historical fiction where historical characters or places are included, but where the stories themselves are not meant to be interpreted as historical accounts (literary works like those of Victor Hugo or Charles Dickens would be examples here).
For the purpose of Catholic Theology, parables, allegories, or historical accounts could all be valid ways to read Genesis if you are only concerned with philosophical justifications. So maybe the Church has never bothered to address or which parts of Genesis are to be considered historical (or even roughly historical) since it does not suit its purposes to do so.
However my interest is in, according to the Church, which stories in Genesis are meant to be interpreted as largely historical in nature? Let’s ignore Chapter 1 for now since that has been debated to death. What about the story of Adam and Eve (Gen 2-3), and their offspring (Gen 4-5)? What of the story of Noah and the flood (Gen 6-9)? What of the stories of Abraham (12-25), Issac (25-26), Jacob and Esau (27-37), and Joseph (37-50)?
These stories are the foundation upon which much of theology of Christianity and Judaism is based and which establish the way in which mankind, particularly the early Jewish people, came to know about the “God of Abraham”.
If this is not the forum to ask such questions, do you know of a better one you can point me towards? I would hope that asking about the teachings of the Catholic Church, regardless of my personal stance, can be considered a valid topic of discussion.
Thank you for your time.