Receiving from the chalice while kneeling?

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I have a friend who is coming into the Church this Easter and during his vigil rehearsal decided to receive the unconsecrated host kneeling (which I also have a desire to do but just do not want to make anyone trip/haven’t mustered up the courage/still undecided on the matter). He informed me that he also knelt for the chalice. I am not sure this is correct but he is telling me it is fine. I just wanted to make sure I give him the right advice. I would think that that would create too much of an opportunity for spills. 🤷

I told him that if it were me, I would receive the host kneeling and then not receive from the chalice at all because it is not necessary to receive under both species.

Is it even allowed or encouraged to receive from the chalice while kneeling? Please let me know! Thanks so much.
 
I have a friend who is coming into the Church this Easter and during his vigil rehearsal decided to receive the unconsecrated host kneeling (which I also have a desire to do but just do not want to make anyone trip/haven’t mustered up the courage/still undecided on the matter). He informed me that he also knelt for the chalice. I am not sure this is correct but he is telling me it is fine. I just wanted to make sure I give him the right advice. I would think that that would create too much of an opportunity for spills. 🤷

I told him that if it were me, I would receive the host kneeling and then not receive from the chalice at all because it is not necessary to receive under both species.

Is it even allowed or encouraged to receive from the chalice while kneeling? Please let me know! Thanks so much.
My wife and I receive the host kneeling, but do not receive the precious blood. Too much risk for the blood to be spilled.
 
We, also, do not receive the Blood of Christ, except within the Body (Host). And we receive kneeling. In fact I have maintained for years now, that if there is a “bottle-neck” in the communion line, its is NOT in receiving on the tongue but in the Precious Blood reception.

At least this is where it occurs in our parish.
 
To receive the Eucharist under the species of wine too is possibly by:
  • drinking from the chalice
  • intinction (by the priest)
  • by a spoon
From this the first (and most usual form) is dangerous kneeling
 
To receive the Eucharist under the species of wine too is possibly by:
  • drinking from the chalice
  • intinction (by the priest)
  • by a spoon
From this the first (and most usual form) is dangerous kneeling
Kneeling is dangerous?
 
Kneeling to receive the Chalice seems like an invitation to disaster.

I would opt not to receive the Precious Blood alone if I were to kneel.
 
How did they (or did they) do it in the old form when there was no option to stand?
 
First, unless your bishop has given explicit permission to receive the Sacred Host kneeling…the it is illicit to receive it that way…standing is the norm…in the hand or on the tongue is the only licit option for the communicant to make (see extract from USCCB below).

Second…I believe that if approved by the bishop to receive the Sacred Host kneeling…it is very risky to kneel to receive from the Sacred Cup (chalice) of Salvation…while kneeling…and I have never seen or heard of a bishop giving permission for the Sacred Cup to be ministered to a communicant in the kneeling position.

Third, in my opinion, there is no greater and no more important time for us to be obedient to and unified with the Church (which is the Body of Our Lord Jesus Christ himself) and to our bishop (the visible head of Christ in the local particular Church…in communion with the Pope and the Magisterium)…than in the sacred liturgy…especially in the Liturgy of the Eucharist. What was the most dominate character trait/action of Our Lord Jesus during his entire life/ministry*…obedience to the Father’s will*…and what did he pray the longest and most fervent for just before his death…one with the Father (John 17: 22-23). These are the two keys to me…why my preferences are not all that important…most importantly…I want to be obedient and one (united) in the Body of Christ…thus to the Head…Our Lord Jesus himself…especially at that moment.

Lastly, if your bishop has approved kneeling to receive the Sacred Host…I am happy for you…my plea is to be obedient and one (united) with the bishop and the Body.

For your consideration only,
Pax Christi
**Clarification on the Proper Posture and Sign of Veneration for Reception of Holy Communion **

In recent weeks, the Secretariat for the Liturgy has received several inquiries concerning both the proper posture for and the form of veneration to be made prior to receiving Holy Communion. This issue is directly addressed by the adaptation of number 160 of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved by the USCCB and confirmed by the Holy
See. That adaptation reads as follows**:**
The norm for the reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of
the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied
Holy Communion because they kneel
. Rather, **such instances **
**should be **addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with
the proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.

Posture
It should be noted that the General Instruction o the Roman Missal assigns to Conferences of Bishops the decision as to whether the faithful should stand or kneel at the time of reception of Holy Communion. (no. 43 §2) The** Bishops of the United States have decided** that the normative posture for receiving Holy Communion should be standing.

Kneeling is not a licit posture for receiving Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States of America unless the bishop of a particular diocese has derogated from this norm in an individual and extraordinary circumstance.

The provision which follows this section is provided for those extraordinary circumstances when a communicant acts in contradiction to the decision of the bishops. Under no circumstances may a person be denied Holy Communion merely because he or she has refused to stand to receive Holy Communion. Rather, in such instances, the priest is** obliged to provide additional catechesis so that the communicant might better understand the reason for the Bishops’ decision** to choose standing as the normative posture for receiving Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States of America.

http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/innews/072002.shtml
John 17: 22-23 (NKJV)
And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
 
How did they (or did they) do it in the old form when there was no option to stand?
You would never have received the Precious Blood in the old form. I think it was maybe permissible on your First Communion and your wedding, but otherwise it was reserved to the priest and forbidden to the laity.
 
How did they (or did they) do it in the old form when there was no option to stand?
At that time people didn’t have the opportunity to receive the Precious Blood.

To the OP, I will say that when I have been one of the ministers of communion, it scares me to death to give the chalice to someone kneeling. (And there is one couple in my parish who always receive that way.) I’m so afraid of spilling the Precious Blood as I give the chalice to someone who is so much lower down. I would advise your friend to receive the Precious Blood while standing or not at all.
 
I have a friend who is coming into the Church this Easter and during his vigil rehearsal decided to receive the unconsecrated host kneeling (which I also have a desire to do but just do not want to make anyone trip/haven’t mustered up the courage/still undecided on the matter). He informed me that he also knelt for the chalice. I am not sure this is correct but he is telling me it is fine. I just wanted to make sure I give him the right advice. I would think that that would create too much of an opportunity for spills. 🤷

I told him that if it were me, I would receive the host kneeling and then not receive from the chalice at all because it is not necessary to receive under both species.

Is it even allowed or encouraged to receive from the chalice while kneeling? Please let me know! Thanks so much.
If your friend is coming from an Anglican Communion, it is normal for one to recieve both while kneeling at the altar rail. I have communioned thousands at hundreds of Anglican Mass. No one, laity or clergy has dropped the body of our Lord or split his precious blood.
So it can be done if properly taught. Use of patens and purificators etc.does help. Making sure the one who recieves is physically and mentally able also helps.

Mark+
 
I have a friend who is coming into the Church this Easter and during his vigil rehearsal decided to receive the unconsecrated host kneeling (which I also have a desire to do but just do not want to make anyone trip/haven’t mustered up the courage/still undecided on the matter). He informed me that he also knelt for the chalice. I am not sure this is correct but he is telling me it is fine. Ih.
well maybe his pastor told him it was fine. What is fine is obedience to your pastor and bishop.

I find it somewhat anachronistic however that someone who insists on a “traditional practice” like kneeling to receive, still want the best of both worlds, to receive from the chalice, which has not always been traditional. Even in the days when it was permitted at some times: first communions, nuptial Mass for the couple, for instance–it was received standing, so I am at a loss to know where he came up with this particular personal preference
How did they (or did they) do it in the old form when there was no option to stand?
see my remark above
 
How did they (or did they) do it in the old form when there was no option to stand?
Lay people didn’t receive the Chalice at all during the period when kneeling was the norm. The priest alone received it, while standing.

The Eastern Church has always received under both species, standing.
 
If your friend is coming from an Anglican Communion, it is normal for one to recieve both while kneeling at the altar rail. I have communioned thousands at hundreds of Anglican Mass. No one, laity or clergy has dropped the body of our Lord or split his precious blood.
So it can be done if properly taught. Use of patens and purificators etc.does help. Making sure the one who recieves is physically and mentally able also helps.

Mark+
Yes, but from what I remember from my time as an Anglican, the minister holds on to the chalice and tips it for each communicant. whereas in the Catholic church, the chalice is usually put into the communicant’s hands, so if he knocks the chalice against the rail. or if there’s any confusion over who is going to take the weight of the chalice, the Blood could be spilt.
 
The General Instruction of the Roman Missal seems to direct standing for receiving the Precious Blood from the chalice, in all countries of the world. The instructions for receiving Communion under the species of bread are slightly different, at least in the English translation.

From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :

“286. If Communion of the Blood of Christ is carried out by communicants’ drinking from the chalice, each communicant, after receiving the Body of Christ, moves and stands facing the minister of the chalice. The minister says, Sanguis Christi (The Blood of Christ), the communicant responds, Amen, and the minister hands over the chalice, which the communicant raises to his or her mouth. Each communicant drinks a little from the chalice, hands it back to the minister, and then withdraws; the minister wipes the rim of the chalice with the purificator.” (My bold text.)

Compare this with the similar paragraph for receiving the Body of Christ, without the word “stands”:
“161. If Communion is given only under the species of bread, the priest raises the host slightly and shows it to each, saying, Corpus Christi (The Body of Christ). The communicant replies, Amen, and receives the Sacrament either on the tongue or, where this is allowed and if the communicant so chooses, in the hand. As soon as the communicant receives the host, he or she consumes it entirely.”

“160. The priest then takes the paten or ciborium and goes to the communicants, who, as a rule, approach in a procession.
The faithful are not permitted to take the consecrated bread or the sacred chalice by themselves and, still less, to hand them from one to another. The norm for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.”

In the Latin edition of the GIRM it has in n. 160: “Fideles communicant genuflexi vel stantes, prout Conferentia Episcoporum statuerit.” Meaning: “The faithful may communicate either standing or kneeling, as established by the Conference of Bishops.”

Here is the full Latin of the texts in these paragraphs:
“160. Sacerdos deinde accipit patenam vel pyxidem, et accedit ad communicandos, qui de more processionaliter appropinquant.
Non licet ipsis fidelibus panem consecratum neque calicem sacrum per semetipsos accipere eo minus de manu in manum inter se transmittere. Fideles communicant genuflexi vel stantes, prout Conferentia Episcoporum statuerit. Cum autem stantes communicant, commendatur ut debitam reverentiam, ab iisdem normis statuendam, ante susceptionem Sacramenti faciant.
161. Si Communio sub specie tantum panis fit, sacerdos hostiam parum elevatam unicuique ostendit dicens: Corpus Christi. Communicandus respondet: Amen, et Sacramentum recipit, ore vel, ubi concessum sit, manu, pro libitu suo. Communicandus statim ac sacram hostiam recipit, eam ex integro consumit.
Si vero Communio fit sub utraque specie, servetur ritus suo loco descriptus (cf. nn. 284-287).”

“286. Si Communio Sanguinis fit bibendo e calice, communicandus postquam Corpus Christi accepit, transit ad calicis ministrum et stat coram eo. Minister dicit: Sanguis Christi; communicandus respondet: Amen, et minister porrigit ei calicem, quem communicandus ipse manibus suis ori admovet. Communicandus paulum e calice bibit, eum ministro restituit et recedit; minister autem labrum calicis purificatorio abstergit.”

(Missale Romanum, Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 2002, ISBN: 8820972719, page 50 and 65-66.)

The translation for England and Wales may help:
“160. The priest then takes the paten or ciborium and goes to the communicants, who, as a rule, approach in a procession.
The faithful are not permitted to take the consecrated Bread or the sacred chalice by themselves and, still less, to hand them from one to another. The faithful communicate either kneeling or standing, as determined by the Conference of Bishops. When they communicate standing, however, it is recommended that they make an appropriate sign of reverence, as determined in the same norms, before receiving the Sacrament.
161. If Communion is given only under the species of bread, the priest raises the host slightly and shows it to each, saying: Corpus Christi (The Body of Christ). The communicant replies: Amen, and receives the Sacrament either on the tongue or, where this is allowed and if the communicant so chooses, in the hand. As soon as the communicant receives the host, he or she consumes it entirely.
If, however, Communion is given under both kinds, the rite prescribed in nos. 284-287 is followed.”

Can a Conference of Bishops decide that the Precious Blood, from the chalice, must be received kneeling?

Yes, it could be argued: “The faithful communicate either kneeling or standing, as determined by the Conference of Bishops.” In the preceding sentence it refers to the chalice.

The alternative argument: “If, however, Communion is given under both kinds, the rite prescribed in nos. 284-287 is followed.” In 286 it directs standing when receiving from the chalice. So this decision on standing or kneeling does not refer to receiving Communion “under both kinds”, (i.e. from the chalice). The reference to the chalice in n. 160 is a different issue, not that of posture.
 
First, unless your bishop has given explicit permission to receive the Sacred Host kneeling…the it is illicit to receive it that way…standing is the norm…in the hand or on the tongue is the only licit option for the communicant to make (see extract from USCCB below).

Second…I believe that if approved by the bishop to receive the Sacred Host kneeling…it is very risky to kneel to receive from the Sacred Cup (chalice) of Salvation…while kneeling…and I have never seen or heard of a bishop giving permission for the Sacred Cup to be ministered to a communicant in the kneeling position.

Third, in my opinion, there is no greater and no more important time for us to be obedient to and unified with the Church (which is the Body of Our Lord Jesus Christ himself) and to our bishop (the visible head of Christ in the local particular Church…in communion with the Pope and the Magisterium)…than in the sacred liturgy…especially in the Liturgy of the Eucharist. What was the most dominate character trait/action of Our Lord Jesus during his entire life/ministry*…obedience to the Father’s will*…and what did he pray the longest and most fervent for just before his death…one with the Father (John 17: 22-23). These are the two keys to me…why my preferences are not all that important…most importantly…I want to be obedient and one (united) in the Body of Christ…thus to the Head…Our Lord Jesus himself…especially at that moment.

Lastly, if your bishop has approved kneeling to receive the Sacred Host…I am happy for you…my plea is to be obedient and one (united) with the bishop and the Body.

For your consideration only,
Pax Christi
However…

[91.] In distributing Holy Communion it is to be remembered that “sacred ministers may not deny the sacraments to those who seek them in a reasonable manner, are rightly disposed, and are not prohibited by law from receiving them”. Hence any baptized Catholic who is not prevented by law must be admitted to Holy Communion. Therefore, it is not licit to deny Holy Communion to any of Christ’s faithful solely on the grounds, for example, that the person wishes to receive the Eucharist kneeling or standing.

- Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments, Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum (2004)

It is not illicit to receive the Body of Christ while kneeling. Period.

A BCL newsletter (which is where your citation stating that kneeling is not licit) does not override the word of a Holy See dicastery, mandated by the Holy Father.

In fact, the CDW dealt with this extensively in an issue of Notitiae{38 (2002), 582–584}.

In that coverage, they pointed out (in a letter to a bishop regarding this matter):

In fact, as His Eminence, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has recently emphasized, the practice of kneeling for Holy Communion has in its favor a centuries-old tradition, and it is a particularly expressive sign of adoration, completely appropriate in light of the true, real and substantial presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ under the consecrated species.
In a letter to a member of the faithful, they stress:

Even where the Congregation has approved of legislation denoting standing as the posture for Holy Communion, in accordance with the adaptations permitted to the Conferences of Bishops by the Institutio Generalis Misalis Romani, n. 160, parapgraph 2, it has done so with the stipulation that communicants who choose to kneel are not to be denied Holy COmmunion on those grounds.

Last time I checked, a USCCB department did not outrank the Holy See and has no right to go counter to the Holy See.
 
Can a Conference of Bishops decide that the Precious Blood, from the chalice, must be received kneeling?

Yes, it could be argued: “The faithful communicate either kneeling or standing, as determined by the Conference of Bishops.” In the preceding sentence it refers to the chalice.

The alternative argument: “If, however, Communion is given under both kinds, the rite prescribed in nos. 284-287 is followed.” In 286 it directs standing when receiving from the chalice. So this decision on standing or kneeling does not refer to receiving Communion “under both kinds”, (i.e. from the chalice). The reference to the chalice in n. 160 is a different issue, not that of posture.
Doubtful, as the GIRM has been clarified by Rome to indicate that the faithful may recieve kneeling without being considered to be disobedient or acting in a illicit manner.
while this Congregation gave the recognitio to the norm desired by the Bishops’ Conference of your country that people stand for Holy Communion, this was done on the condition that communicants who choose to kneel are not to be denied Holy Communion on these grounds. Indeed, the faithful should not be imposed upon nor accused of disobedience and of acting illicitly when they kneel to receive Holy Communion."
ewtn.com/expert/answers/kneeling_for_communion.htm

The clarifications reply to the reception of Holy Communion, which, barring a specific restriction from the CDWDS, would include both species.

Are you aware of any further clarificaiton of the GIRM from the CDWDS that would restrict Prot. n. 2390/02/L to the single species of bread? If so, could you post the protocol number and text?
 
I have a friend who is coming into the Church this Easter and during his vigil rehearsal decided to receive the unconsecrated host kneeling (which I also have a desire to do but just do not want to make anyone trip/haven’t mustered up the courage/still undecided on the matter). He informed me that he also knelt for the chalice. I am not sure this is correct but he is telling me it is fine. I just wanted to make sure I give him the right advice. I would think that that would create too much of an opportunity for spills. 🤷

I told him that if it were me, I would receive the host kneeling and then not receive from the chalice at all because it is not necessary to receive under both species.

Is it even allowed or encouraged to receive from the chalice while kneeling? Please let me know! Thanks so much.
I have also knelt to receive the chalice at mass that was for Franciscan Retreat but never at my home parish
 
well maybe his pastor told him it was fine. What is fine is obedience to your pastor and bishop.

I find it somewhat anachronistic however that someone who insists on a “traditional practice” like kneeling to receive, still want the best of both worlds, to receive from the chalice, which has not always been traditional. Even in the days when it was permitted at some times: first communions, nuptial Mass for the couple, for instance–it was received standing, so I am at a loss to know where he came up with this particular personal preference see my remark above
I feel the same way you do. It is because he wants to receive under both forms (I think for effect) but wants to be traditional at the same time. :confused: I am trying to respectfully explain that it is not really prudent (could just be my opinion though…what do you guys think?). I think the risk of spill alone is enough to not do it. Thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
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