Reconciling with differences

[CopticChristian]

I have heard that there are Protestants that have made a regular part of their activity to go to confession. Are there any other than Catholic that go to confession or reconciliation.

I know of many non-Catholics that attend a Byzantine Church I have been to and other functions.

Just thought it was interesting.

I promise not to be critical.

 

[Tietjen]

I have heard that there are Protestants that have made a regular part of their activity to go to confession. Are there any other than Catholic that go to confession or reconciliation.

I know of many non-Catholics that attend a Byzantine Church I have been to and other functions.

Just thought it was interesting.

I promise not to be critical.

Non-Catholics who go to confession can do so, but without the benefit of absolution.

 

[CopticChristian]

Non-Catholics who go to confession can do so, but without the benefit of absolution.

Protestants can have a Sacramental Baptism and I believe a Sacramental marriage. I believe they can partake in Anointing of the Sick.

Protestants do not partake of Eucharist, Reconcillliation, Holy Orders, Confirmation. The Eucharist can be partaken in under certain circumstances.

So I think that gets your concern out of the way.

 

[Tietjen]

Protestants can have a Sacramental Baptism and I believe a Sacramental marriage. I believe they can partake in Anointing of the Sick.

Protestants do not partake of Eucharist, Reconcillliation, Holy Orders, Confirmation. The Eucharist can be partaken in under certain circumstances.

So I think that gets your concern out of the way.

Respectfully, I have no “concern” on the matter. Protestants, unless grave circumstances are present, may not receive absolution in the confessional. Please see the CCC statement & Canon Law articles below for more information.
CCC #1401:

When, in the Ordinary’s judgment, a grave necessity arises, Catholic ministers may give the sacraments of Eucharist, Penance, and Anointing of the Sick to other Christians not in full communion with the Catholic Church, who ask for them of their own will, provided they give evidence of holding the Catholic faith regarding these sacraments and possess the required dispositions.

Code of Canon Law:

Can. 844 Catholic ministers may lawfully administer the sacraments only to Catholic members of Christ’s faithful, who equally may lawfully receive them only from Catholic ministers, except as provided in §2, 3 and 4 of this canon and in can. 861 §2.
Catholic ministers may lawfully administer the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the eastern Churches not in full communion with the Catholic Church, if they spontaneously ask for them and are properly disposed. The same applies to members of other Churches which the Apostolic See judges to be in the same position as the aforesaid eastern Churches so far as the sacraments are concerned. If there is a danger of death or if, in the judgment of the diocesan Bishop or of the Episcopal Conference, there is some other grave and pressing need, Catholic ministers may lawfully administer these same sacraments to other Christians not in full communion with the catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who spontaneously ask for them, provided that they demonstrate the catholic faith in respect of these sacraments and are properly disposed.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the thread and what we are discussing?

 

[CopticChristian]

Respectfully, I have no “concern” on the matter. Protestants, unless grave circumstances are present, may not receive absolution in the confessional. Please see the CCC statement & Canon Law articles below for more information.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the thread and what we are discussing?

I have heard that there are Protestants that have made a regular part of their activity to go to confession. Are there any other than Catholic that go to confession or reconciliation.

Hope this helps. I never suggested anything about the sacramental nature or anything like that.

Any Protestants, non-Catholics, Athiests, any that are not Catholic…do they go to confession?

 

[GunnerQuick]

"Originally Posted by CCC #1401
When, in the Ordinary’s judgment, a grave necessity arises, Catholic ministers may give the sacraments of Eucharist, Penance, and Anointing of the Sick to other Christians not in full communion with the Catholic Church, who ask for them of their own will, provided they give evidence of holding the Catholic faith regarding these sacraments and possess the required dispositions. "

When I was in RCIA, everyone that was not being baptised had to make their confession before the Easter Vigil and being recieved into the church.

 

[CopticChristian]

"Originally Posted by CCC #1401
When, in the Ordinary’s judgment, a grave necessity arises, Catholic ministers may give the sacraments of Eucharist, Penance, and Anointing of the Sick to other Christians not in full communion with the Catholic Church, who ask for them of their own will, provided they give evidence of holding the Catholic faith regarding these sacraments and possess the required dispositions. "

When I was in RCIA, everyone that was not being baptised had to make their confession before the Easter Vigil and being recieved into the church.

This and all the other information is fascinating. The question is…

Are there any non-Catholics that go to the confessional…I am not asking what the standard of the Church is…

 

[fbl9]

This and all the other information is fascinating. The question is…

Are there any non-Catholics that go to the confessional…I am not asking what the standard of the Church is…

If memeory serves me right, buried deep within Lutherism, they are to practice articular confession.

 

[JonNC]

I have heard that there are Protestants that have made a regular part of their activity to go to confession. Are there any other than Catholic that go to confession or reconciliation.

I know of many non-Catholics that attend a Byzantine Church I have been to and other functions.

Just thought it was interesting.

I promise not to be critical.

Lutherans are urged to confess and receive Holy Absolution, both in coproate confession at the beginning of every divine service, and in private confession. Most Lutheran synods offer private confession generally in the formula of the Small Catechism:

V. Confession

How Christians should be taught to confess.

What is Confession?*

Confession embraces two parts: the one is, that we confess our sins; the other, that we receive absolution, or forgiveness, from the confessor, as from God Himself, and in no wise doubt, but firmly believe, that our sins are thereby forgiven before God in heaven.

What sins should we confess?

Before God we should plead guilty of all sins, even of those which we do not know, as we do in the Lord’s Prayer. But before the confessor we should confess those sins alone which we know and feel in our hearts.

Which are these?

Here consider your station according to the Ten Commandments, whether you are a father, mother, son, daughter, master, mistress, a man-servant or maid-servant; whether you have been disobedient, unfaithful, slothful; whether you have grieved any one by words or deeds; whether you have stolen, neglected, or wasted aught, or done other injury.

Pray, Propose to Me a Brief Form of Confession.

Answer.

You should speak to the confessor thus: Reverend and dear sir, I beseech you to hear my confession, and to pronounce forgiveness to me for God’s sake.

Proceed!

I, a poor sinner, confess myself before God guilty of all sins; especially I confess before you that I am a man-servant, a maidservant, etc. But, alas, I serve my master unfaithfully; for in this and in that I have not done what they commanded me; I have provoked them, and caused them to curse, have been negligent [in many things] and permitted damage to be done; have also been immodest in words and deeds, have quarreled with my equals, have grumbled and sworn at my mistress, etc. For all this I am sorry, and pray for grace; I want to do better.

A master or mistress may say thus:

In particular I confess before you that I have not faithfully trained my children, domestics, and wife [family] for God’s glory. I have cursed, set a bad example by rude words and deeds, have done my neighbor harm and spoken evil of him, have overcharged and given false ware and short measure.

And whatever else he has done against God’s command and his station, etc.

But if any one does not find himself burdened with such or greater sins, he should not trouble himself or search for or invent other sins, and thereby make confession a torture, but mention one or two that he knows. Thus: In particular I confess that I once cursed; again, I once used improper words, I have once neglected this or that, etc. Let this suffice.

But if you know of none at all (which, however is scarcely possible), then mention none in particular, but receive the forgiveness upon your general confession which you make before God to the confessor.

Then shall the confessor say:

God be merciful to thee and strengthen thy faith! Amen.

Furthermore:

Dost thou believe that my forgiveness is God’s forgiveness?

Answer.

Yes, dear sir.

Then let him say:

As thou believest, so be it done unto thee. And by the command of our Lord Jesus Christ I forgive thee thy sins, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. Depart in peace.

But those who have great burdens upon their consciences, or are distressed and tempted, the confessor will know how to comfort and to encourage to faith with more passages of Scripture. This is to be merely a general form of confession for the unlearned.

 

[CopticChristian]

Lutherans are urged to confess and receive Holy Absolution, both in coproate confession at the beginning of every divine service, and in private confession. Most Lutheran synods offer private confession generally in the formula of the Small Catechism:

I did not know this. Is this in the Lutheran Catechism. I would be curious to see what is taught and believed.

 

[JonNC]

I did not know this. Is this in the Lutheran Catechism. I would be curious to see what is taught and believed.

The Augsburg Confession says: *Article XI: Of Confession.

1] Of Confession they teach that Private Absolution ought to be retained in the churches, although in confession 2] an enumeration of all sins is not necessary. For it is impossible according to the Psalm: Who can understand his errors? Ps. 19:12. *

And in response to the Confutation, known as the Apology of the Augsburg Confession, Melanchthon wrote the following:

bookofconcord.org/defense_9_confession.php

The link is to an online version of the Book of Concord, our confessions.

Jon

 

[domandcarols]

 

[CopticChristian]

The Augsburg Confession says: *Article XI: Of Confession.

1] Of Confession they teach that Private Absolution ought to be retained in the churches, although in confession 2] an enumeration of all sins is not necessary. For it is impossible according to the Psalm: Who can understand his errors? Ps. 19:12. *

And in response to the Confutation, known as the Apology of the Augsburg Confession, Melanchthon wrote the following:

bookofconcord.org/defense_9_confession.php

The link is to an online version of the Book of Concord, our confessions.

Jon

I read the link and at a level of my understanding I do not see where it differs much with what the OHCAC teaches. There may be differences as to authority etc however as I said in the OP it was not my intent to be critical. Confession is a delicate matter and for that reason I chose to take this route. Thank you.

 

[JonNC]

I read the link and at a level of my understanding I do not see where it differs much with what the OHCAC teaches. There may be differences as to authority etc however as I said in the OP it was not my intent to be critical. Confession is a delicate matter and for that reason I chose to take this route. Thank you.

And it is a route most appreciated. I try my best to follow it myself, my occasional failures notwithstanding.

Jon