"REDEMPTION" and "SALVATION"

[Nita]

Originally Posted by Nita
Sin had many consequences: pain, suffering, death, possibility of eternal damnation, concupisence, weakened will, darkened intellect. I’m sure I’ve missed a few! We believe that salvation, when complete, will also remove all these negative consequences (in addition to the freeing from sin noted in the first paragraph). Does the Protestant understanding of salvation include eventual deliverance from all these consequences also?

Same with us.

Nita

 

[eva6206213]

Thanks for the thread!
i’m learning learning~~~

 

[TP2]

Redemption — the purchase back of something that had been lost, by the payment of a ransom. The Greek word so rendered is apolutrosis, a word occurring nine times in Scripture, and always with the idea of a ransom or price paid, i.e., redemption by a lutron (see Matt. 20:28; Mark 10:45). There are instances in the LXX. Version of the Old Testament of the use of lutron in man’s relation to man (Lev. 19:20; 25:51; Ex. 21:30; Num. 35:31, 32; Isa. 45:13; Prov. 6:35), and in the same sense of man’s relation to God (Num. 3:49; 18:15).

There are many passages in the New Testament which represent Christ’s sufferings under the idea of a ransom or price, and the result thereby secured is a purchase or redemption (comp. Acts 20:28; 1 Cor. 6:19, 20; Gal. 3:13; 4:4, 5; Eph. 1:7; Col. 1:14; 1 Tim. 2:5, 6; Titus 2:14; Heb. 9:12; 1 Pet. 1:18, 19; Rev. 5:9). The idea running through all these texts, however various their reference, is that of payment made for our redemption. The debt against us is not viewed as simply cancelled, but is fully paid. Christ’s blood or life, which he surrendered for them, is the “ransom” by which the deliverance of his people from the servitude of sin and from its penal consequences is secured. It is the plain doctrine of Scripture that “Christ saves us neither by the mere exercise of power, nor by his doctrine, nor by his example, nor by the moral influence which he exerted, nor by any subjective influence on his people, whether natural or mystical, but as a satisfaction to divine justice, as an expiation for sin, and as a ransom from the curse and authority of the law, thus reconciling us to God by making it consistent with his perfection to exercise mercy toward sinners” (Hodge’s Systematic Theology).
(From Easton’s Bible Dictionary)

Did someone miss “SALVATION”?

 

[TP2]

Thanks for the thread!
i’m learning learning~~~

so am i, eve…so am i.

 

[Nita]

Probably would have been a good idea to have included these definitions right from the start. My hard cover Catholic Catechism of the Catholic Church has a small Glossary at the very back. Here are the definitions given there:

REDEEMER/REDEMPTION; Jesus Christ, redeemer of mankind. Christ paid the price of his own sacrificial death on the cross to ransom us, to set us free from the slavery of sin, thus achieving our redemption.
The follow paragraphs in the CCC are referenced: #571, 601, cf.517, 1372.

SALVATION; The forgiveness of sins and restoration of friendship with God, which can be done by God alone. CCC #169

Here are the definitions given in Fr. John Hardon’s “Modern Catholic Dictionary”. His definitions are a little lengthier:

REDEMPTION; The salvation of humanity by Jesus Christ. Literally, to redeem means to free or buy back. Humanity was held captive in that it was enslaved by sin. Since the devil overcame human beings by inducing them to sin, they were said to be in bondage to the devil. Moreover, the human race was held captive as to a debt of punishment, to the payment of which it was bound by divine justice.

On all these counts, the Passion of Christ was sufficient and superabundant satisfaction for human guilt and the consequent debt of punishment. his Passion was a kind of price or ransom that paid the cost of freeing humanity from both obligations. Christ rendered satisfaction, not by giving money, but by spending what was of the highest value. He gave himself, and therefore his Passion is called humanity’s Redemption.

SALVATION; In biblical language the deliverance from straitened circumstances or oppression by some evil to a state of freedom and security. As sin is the greatest evil, salvation is mainly liberation from sin and its consequences. This can be deliverance by way of preservation, or by offering the means for being delivered, or by removing the oppressive evil or difficulty, or by rewarding the effort spent in co-operating with grace in order to be delivered. All four aspects of salvation are found in the Scriptures and are taught by the Church.

 

[Crumpy]

of course it helps! Your a greeat Christian. I just need this addrerssed in simple terms. Salvation and Redemption? Is there a difference for Catholicvs? I say no… But I guess it isn’t going far enough with the folks so that’s why I am here…lol… Your all doing fine. Just still can’t pin down what These 2 terms have to do With.

Sir, I don’t think you are a priest and if you actually are, you are not thinking about the responses you have been given.

You keep pounding us, “simple, simple, simple” but no one can or should reduce them to less than they really are.

It’s a separate question to ask what do Catholics say these are. A lot of Catholics are not Bible students and will not be facile with these terms, treating them as virtually the same, as you yourself have indicated.

If someone has put your feet in the fire to explain the difference between these, as I stated previously, why not ask them what critical distinction they are making? Why is the burden on Catholics in this discussion, and why don’t you understand this if you are a Catholic priest?

I maintain in my post #2 above, that Fitzmyer has given the definitive answer, which I have boiled down to just about as simple as it gets. The distinction is scriptural as you can’t do any better than that. Recall

2 Tim 3:15b (the) sacred scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
3:16 * * All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
3:17 so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

I’m sure the scriptural answer is the best answer to the fundamental question in this thread, because it’s the only answer.