Reflections on Purgatory

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I was thinking more about Purgatory lately, the part of the afterlife which seems to draw the least amount of attention.

I know it is presented as an unfortunate place, and in many respects it is. Yet I am sort of fond of it existing because it seems a manifestation of how just and fair God really is, a place for those who truly love Him and their fellow man but also have unhealthy attachments to sin. A place where they can “sort themselves out” or “Get fixed” in the after life, the way they weren’t able to when they were alive.

It is said to be quite painful, more painful than any earthly fire. But I wonder if this just refers to their longing to be with God?

In a lot of ways we undergo purgatory on earth. In that people on earth sometimes suffer great sadness and inner pain, until they realize that God is really the only thing that matters ultimately, and through him we can overcome that pain?

I was thinking of this more and more because I was re-reading the divine commedy. Funnily enough my favorite book of these is the one on purgatory, maybe because the souls condition there is most similar to life on earth.

Dante (with great artistic lisence) presents as a place of sadness and sorrow, but not ultimate despair. Angels apparently go into it from time to time, to help sinners progress as they undergo their purgation. The souls do suffer trials, but at the very least I don’t think we can discount the possibilty of souls interracting and engaging in friendship and companionship of sorts, of the kind that is not ever possible in Hell:blush:.

Dante does seem to think there is some beauty in purgatory. For those being in the level purged of the sin of pride, there is a statue and presnetation of examples of humility: of the Virgin Mary saying “yes” to God’s wil for her, and of a Roman Emperor, bending down to give his claok to a begger.

In the level of purgatory for the envious, there examples(Statues or scenes) of the obvious virtue, of generosity: The wedding at Cana) and so on and so on for each level for sin. For each level of sin someone has to purge, they are presented with examples of the opposite virtue.

Dante’s version is almost enough to make me think that while there is trial and suffering in purgatory, there may be great hope or even happiness and peace as well.

I know Dante is no theologian or cleric, but nevertheless he was a well-read layman who was intimately aware of Catholic doctrine.

It all is almost enough to think I wouldnt mind terribly if I were sent to purgatory upon my death. Saddened and dissapointed maybe, but still very grateful to the Lord to give me one last chance.🤷
 
I just hope Purgatory really is in Colorado, as I have yet to go there. :):):):)🙂
 
Some words from CS Lewis on Purgatory, in which he believed. Lewis was an Anglican, but thought for himself, if anyone did.

I lifted the following quotes from this link -

angelfire.com/pa3/OldWorldBasic/purgatorycslewis.htm
I BELIEVE IN PURGATORY…
"Of course I pray for the dead. The action is so spontaneous, so all but inevitable, that only the most compulsive theological case against it would deter me. And I hardly know how the rest of my prayers would survive if those for the dead were forbidden. At our age, the majority of those we love best are dead. What sort of intercourse with God could I have if what I love best were unmentionable to him?
I believe in Purgatory.
Mind you, the Reformers had good reasons for throwing doubt on the ‘Romish doctrine concerning Purgatory’ as that Romish doctrine had then become…
The right view returns magnificently in Newman’s DREAM. There, if I remember it rightly, the saved soul, at the very foot of the throne, begs to be taken away and cleansed. It cannot bear for a moment longer ‘With its darkness to affront that light’. Religion has claimed Purgatory.
Our souls demand Purgatory, don’t they? Would it not break the heart if God said to us, ‘It is true, my son, that your breath smells and your rags drip with mud and slime, but we are charitable here and no one will upbraid you with these things, nor draw away from you. Enter into the joy’? Should we not reply, ‘With submission, sir, and if there is no objection, I’d rather be cleaned first.’ ‘It may hurt, you know’ - ‘Even so, sir.’
I assume that the process of purification will normally involve suffering. Partly from tradition; partly because most real good that has been done me in this life has involved it. But I don’t think the suffering is the purpose of the purgation. I can well believe that people neither much worse nor much better than I will suffer less than I or more. . . . The treatment given will be the one required, whether it hurts little or much.
My favourite image on this matter comes from the dentist’s chair. I hope that when the tooth of life is drawn and I am ‘coming round’,’ a voice will say, ‘Rinse your mouth out with this.’ This will be Purgatory. The rinsing may take longer than I can now imagine. The taste of this may be more fiery and astringent than my present sensibility could endure. But . . . it will [not] be disgusting and unhallowed."
  • C.S. Lewis, Letters To Malcolm: Chiefly on Prayer, chapter 20, paragraphs 7-10, pages 108-109
Purely as a matter of personal interest, I often refer to “my old pastor” in discussions on this site. He was a Presbyterian, Methodist trained pastor from whom I learnt a great deal.

He died in January 1992. About a month later, I was at one of his son’s homes. On the wall there was a small photograph of the pastor. As I stood there reflecting on his influence on me and his recent loss, I had this rather strange sense of an oppressive, burning heat in his case.

Frankly I thought i was being shown that he was in Purgatory. He’d only been dead about a month at that time.

He never spoke for or against Purgatory as a doctrine as far as I can recall, and I knew him for 9 years. I got to know him pretty well. I think he was open minded on the subject, and wasn’t going to make a declaration either way.

But if my experience was anything to go by, even a holy man like him had a few things that needed “cleaning up”.
 
I was thinking more about Purgatory lately, the part of the afterlife which seems to draw the least amount of attention.

I know it is presented as an unfortunate place, and in many respects it is. Yet I am sort of fond of it existing because it seems a manifestation of how just and fair God really is, a place for those who truly love Him and their fellow man but also have unhealthy attachments to sin. A place where they can “sort themselves out” or “Get fixed” in the after life, the way they weren’t able to when they were alive.

It is said to be quite painful, more painful than any earthly fire. But I wonder if this just refers to their longing to be with God?

In a lot of ways we undergo purgatory on earth. In that people on earth sometimes suffer great sadness and inner pain, until they realize that God is really the only thing that matters ultimately, and through him we can overcome that pain?

I was thinking of this more and more because I was re-reading the divine commedy. Funnily enough my favorite book of these is the one on purgatory, maybe because the souls condition there is most similar to life on earth.

Dante (with great artistic lisence) presents as a place of sadness and sorrow, but not ultimate despair. Angels apparently go into it from time to time, to help sinners progress as they undergo their purgation. The souls do suffer trials, but at the very least I don’t think we can discount the possibilty of souls interracting and engaging in friendship and companionship of sorts, of the kind that is not ever possible in Hell:blush:.

Dante does seem to think there is some beauty in purgatory. For those being in the level purged of the sin of pride, there is a statue and presnetation of examples of humility: of the Virgin Mary saying “yes” to God’s wil for her, and of a Roman Emperor, bending down to give his claok to a begger.

In the level of purgatory for the envious, there examples(Statues or scenes) of the obvious virtue, of generosity: The wedding at Cana) and so on and so on for each level for sin. For each level of sin someone has to purge, they are presented with examples of the opposite virtue.

Dante’s version is almost enough to make me think that while there is trial and suffering in purgatory, there may be great hope or even happiness and peace as well.

I know Dante is no theologian or cleric, but nevertheless he was a well-read layman who was intimately aware of Catholic doctrine.

It all is almost enough to think I wouldnt mind terribly if I were sent to purgatory upon my death. Saddened and dissapointed maybe, but still very grateful to the Lord to give me one last chance.🤷
It’s critically important to be precise here.

Purgatory is not a second or “last chance”. At death the soul is either destined for heaven or hell. If you have not merited heaven in this life, you will not go to Purgatory for one more shot in the next.

Purgatory is where you take a shower before going to a party after working in the garden all day.

CS Lewis wrote:

Our souls demand purgatory, don’t they? Would it not break the heart if God said to us, “It is true, my son, that your breath smells and your rags drip with mud and slime, but we are charitable here and no one will upbraid you with these things, nor draw away from you. Enter into the joy”?

Should we not reply, “With submission, sir, and if there is no objection, I’d rather be cleansed first”?

“It may hurt, you know.”

“Even so, sir.”
 
How should a Catholic answer this:

According to Phil 1:23-24:

“I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body.”

How can there be a purgatory if Paul is saying he would prefer to depart from his earthly body and be with Christ - there is no mention of an in between place here.

Thanks!
 
How should a Catholic answer this:

According to Phil 1:23-24:

“I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body.”

How can there be a purgatory if Paul is saying he would prefer to depart from his earthly body and be with Christ - there is no mention of an in between place here.

Thanks!
That quote alone that does not prove much. What of Jesus talking of forgiveness “neither in this age, nor in the age to come”, of having our works tested by fire etc.?

Paul felt torn because he longed for the glories of heaven (as does everyone, on some level) but also was mindful of his duties and resposibilities toward his fellow Christians on earth.

I don’t really read much into it as proving or disproving anything really.
 
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