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you argue with your priest in the confessional or correct him? What if you refuse or do not believe/agree with the priestly advice given to you during confession?
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1ke
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[/QUOTE]you argue with your priest in the confessional or correct him?
Advice is an area of prudential judgment. Again, not following what the issue is here.What is there to argue about in confession? What would you need to correct the priest regarding?
Then in all likelihood, he is correct in withholding absolution.you argue with your priest in the confessional or correct him? What if you refuse or do not believe/agree with the priestly advice given to you during confession?
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pianistclare
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Confession is not a “meeting” or a place for intense spiritual direction.
It is not a place to debate beliefs.
Presumably, a Catholic seeks confession to be reconciled with God. To express sorrow for sin, and to be returned to a state of grace. Arguing with your confessor is counterproductive to this.
A priest knows very well what the Church teaches and what is sin ad what is not sin.
If you want to debate or have a lively discussion on certain topics make an appointment. Meet in the priest’s office. But confession is not the place for this. There is an element of humility and contrition to the Sacrament. Accepting and completing your penance is a big part of it.
A person who does not believe that whatever sin they confessed is indeed a sin, would not really be a candidate for absolution, now would they?
It is not a place to debate beliefs.
Presumably, a Catholic seeks confession to be reconciled with God. To express sorrow for sin, and to be returned to a state of grace. Arguing with your confessor is counterproductive to this.
A priest knows very well what the Church teaches and what is sin ad what is not sin.
If you want to debate or have a lively discussion on certain topics make an appointment. Meet in the priest’s office. But confession is not the place for this. There is an element of humility and contrition to the Sacrament. Accepting and completing your penance is a big part of it.
A person who does not believe that whatever sin they confessed is indeed a sin, would not really be a candidate for absolution, now would they?
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TK421
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The advice of a priest/monk/sister/bishop/Pope is the same as advice from any other person on the planet; it may or may not be good to follow, though overwhelmingly I would say priests have an excellent understanding of spiritual warfare.you argue with your priest in the confessional or correct him? What if you refuse or do not believe/agree with the priestly advice given to you during confession?
Not following advice wouldn’t prevent absolution, unless the conflict is over doctrinal matters. If you argue with the priest about whether or not it was okay to skip Mass because you weren’t in the mood, then you’re in the wrong place at the wrong time, since you lack both perfect & imperfect contrition. Reconciliation, just like the whole of the Catholic Church, is for penitent sinners, not impenitent righteous people.
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St_Francis
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It would depend. If the priest in trying to find out if an adulterer were sincerely sorry for his sin were to ask if he had given up his mistress, then absolution could be withheld if the man had no intention of giving her up.
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Mintaka
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One hears about cases when a confessor has told someone who actually committed a really mortal sin that it wasn’t a sin, or when a confessor has given a breezy blessing but not actually gone through the form of absolution.
In those cases, the penitent is allowed to say something, in a respectful way.
And if you don’t get helped, the usual thing to do is to find somewhere else to go to Confession. (And maybe talk to the priest later, outside the confessional, and maybe go up the chain if you don’t get help there.)
But it has to be respectful.
Also, if you’re ever given a penance which is impossible or totally totally impractical for you to do, you’re allowed to tell the priest that and to request another penance. Respectfully.
But usually, any refusal to give absolution is a sign from God that you need to take penitence more seriously.
In those cases, the penitent is allowed to say something, in a respectful way.
And if you don’t get helped, the usual thing to do is to find somewhere else to go to Confession. (And maybe talk to the priest later, outside the confessional, and maybe go up the chain if you don’t get help there.)
But it has to be respectful.
Also, if you’re ever given a penance which is impossible or totally totally impractical for you to do, you’re allowed to tell the priest that and to request another penance. Respectfully.
But usually, any refusal to give absolution is a sign from God that you need to take penitence more seriously.
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Ignatius
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What? You don’t seem to know what The Sacrament of Confession is all about.you argue with your priest in the confessional or correct him?
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EasterJoy
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If he either a) hasn’t heard you confess something that is actually a sin or b) does not judge you to be properly disposed to receive the sacrament, then he has to refuse absolution.
It does not automatically follow that a priest will refuse absolution if you argue or disagree with him, but he could certainly be forced to conclude that an argumentative pentitent does not “get it” sufficiently to be properly disposed to receive absolution. That situation would give him little choice but to refuse absolution.
It is a little like arguing with a physician. Of course you have to give your physician honest feedback in order for him or her to treat you properly. You would be a fool to lie to your doctor or to hide important information because you want to lead the physician to treat you in a certain way. Having said that, a physician might easily conclude after a conversation with a patient that a needed treatment is currently contraindicated because the patient is in a state where it would not only be ineffective but positively harmful.
In your case, OP, you need to have this conversation with your confessor. It is important you understand what conditions your confessor needs you to meet prior to absolution that you are unknowingly failing to meet. Having a meeting of the minds with us will do no good when you haven’t had a meeting of the minds with him.
It does not automatically follow that a priest will refuse absolution if you argue or disagree with him, but he could certainly be forced to conclude that an argumentative pentitent does not “get it” sufficiently to be properly disposed to receive absolution. That situation would give him little choice but to refuse absolution.
It is a little like arguing with a physician. Of course you have to give your physician honest feedback in order for him or her to treat you properly. You would be a fool to lie to your doctor or to hide important information because you want to lead the physician to treat you in a certain way. Having said that, a physician might easily conclude after a conversation with a patient that a needed treatment is currently contraindicated because the patient is in a state where it would not only be ineffective but positively harmful.
In your case, OP, you need to have this conversation with your confessor. It is important you understand what conditions your confessor needs you to meet prior to absolution that you are unknowingly failing to meet. Having a meeting of the minds with us will do no good when you haven’t had a meeting of the minds with him.
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